Nike Pegasus 38

I don't see the point in it myself. It is good for long slow runs but nothing else. The boston and even reebok shoes are far better (and much lighter).

I don't get what they're doing with that heel. On my Peg 37s with about 350 miles, the last 2cm or so of the heel looks untouched. There's a decent amount of foam in the rear of the shoe that seems completely unnecessary. It's just extra weight.

I like my 37 so have a good feeling about these ones

this makes sense. Whenever Nike does the annual pegasus update, it's either the upper or the midsole. The midsole changed between the 34 and 35, but the upper changed between the 35 and the 36. The 37s are for the most part a overhaul of the whole shoe but that makes them an outlier from the trend. As nice as it would be for nike to put more effort into their products, don't expect them to.

Nike makes midsoles cycle for 2 iterations and usually tweaks the outsole and upper in the interim. So the Peg 38 will be just that, same midsole, "improved" upper and maybe different waffles on the outsole. It's a minor update.

This image is also an early pre-production render, which may or may not be legit. It's been circulating for a few months now. I remember when the Peg37 renders came our, around this time last year, beyond the major midsole update almost all other details were off from the release version. So who knows with this.

Bottom line, if you like the Peg37, you'll probably like the Peg 38, assuming they don't make the upper any more narrow than it already is.

The peg 39, or maybe even Peg 40 (40 years!) will be a bigger change... but that is a generation or two off.

Also about the heel... the Peg is a mass market daily trainer. It literally is a shoe of committee design as it needs to appeal to new runners AND advanced runners, forefoot strikers AND heel strikers (thus the rocketed heel), people who want style AND people who want performance... it can do it all but the sacrifice is it doesn't do any of them exceptionally. Thats the trade off in this "default" shoe. Nike has the Infinity React, React Miler, Vomero, Next%, Tempo, etc.. that all fit specific use cases and hone in on one user type or use case... but the Peg has ALWAYS been meant to appeal to ALL of them.

I like the peg37, it's my cushy all around soft shoe. The Adios Boston, Nike Streak, Nike Next%, Nike Alphafly, Atreyu Base Model... all do specfic things better.

This is about what I expected for the update.. I don’t see their being any changes to the react cushioning and zoom air units in the forefoot. Personally, I wish they would do away with the air bags, but it seems as though they are going to try to keep pushing it. To me the air bags feel really great for the first hundred miles or so. After that they no longer feel the same, and sometimes squeak upon impact.

The biggest change looks to be the tongue, which was a lot of people’s criticism of the 37. It’s hard to tell from the photo, but it looks to be longer and a bit thicker. I think that is great.

The lacing system looks slightly different. I’m sure it will be totally fine.

The forefoot upper looks to be a bit different.

The other noticeable change is the extended ‘pads’ on the outside of the heel counter. No idea why those would be there. Maybe they are trying to show off some sort of inner padding that promotes better heel lock down and comfort.

The changes are all slight, as most people would have guessed. Unfortunately, the shoe probably won’t be losing any weight from its predecessor. If anything it might even be going up ever so slightly.

I would expect the ride to be nearly identical to the 37 but with a better feeling tongue and possibly better heel lockdown/padding.

In a perfect world I wish they would shave off some of the heel counter, make it 8mm drop, and do away with the air bags. The perfect daily trainer for those who like the vaporfly.

Anyone know about Vomero being updated/released?

AdiVector wrote:

Anyone know about Vomero being updated/released?

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Kenaneeser Beckelay wrote:

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In a perfect world I wish they would shave off some of the heel counter, make it 8mm drop, and do away with the air bags. The perfect daily trainer for those who like the vaporfly.

I agree with your comments on reducing the drop -- I would prefer a 7 or 6mm drop -- and shaving the unnecessary extended heel. However, I like the forefoot air pod. As a midfoot/forefoot striker I need something stiffer than the React foam for the end of the stride cycle.

I have the 37 with the Flyease upper, and I like the upper. However, if they make the shoe any narrower around the instep I won't be able to wear it.

SeattleSilver wrote:

Kenaneeser Beckelay wrote:

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In a perfect world I wish they would shave off some of the heel counter, make it 8mm drop, and do away with the air bags. The perfect daily trainer for those who like the vaporfly.

I agree with your comments on reducing the drop -- I would prefer a 7 or 6mm drop -- and shaving the unnecessary extended heel. However, I like the forefoot air pod. As a midfoot/forefoot striker I need something stiffer than the React foam for the end of the stride cycle.

I have the 37 with the Flyease upper, and I like the upper. However, if they make the shoe any narrower around the instep I won't be able to wear it.

Agreed. The 37 really is on the borderline of how narrow a daily trainer can be.

I too would prefer a drop in the 6-7mm range, but it’s just not going to happen. I said 8 because it’s in the Nike ballpark. I know the alphafly is 4mm, but there’s a ton going on there.

I still remember getting my very first pair of Nike Pegasus running shoes. Everyone on our college team was issued a pair. Prior to that we had all been given the Nike Columbia (1981) which was a pretty good shoe in it's own right. To me, the Pegasus was a very good shoe and quite a workhorse. Held up well in all kinds of weather and conditions. The waffle sole, which had been out for about 6-7 years on other models, was always a great addition when running in snow or on dirt trails.

The brand new Nike Pegasus made its debut in 1983 and sold for $50 at its release. It was designed by Mark Parker, Nike CEO and Bruce Kilgore, who was working on the Air Force 1, which was Nike’s first basketball shoe with air cushioning, along with other Nike designers whom gave creative input to the Pegasus. It had a nylon upper outfitted with a light suede leather tip, and a heel counter covering and eyelet stay. Described by a European sales rep as a running shoe that looks like a “rainy day,” with its gray and navy accents, the Nike Pegasus 1983 may not have been the most flashy shoe, but its simple design became a vital component for years to come.

Really???

Kenaneeser Beckelay wrote:

AdiVector wrote:

Anyone know about Vomero being updated/released?

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I'm someone who warmed up to the Peg 37. I thought it was a chore to run in at first, bet the react broke in. Probably a large part was that my running stride/gait adapted to the shoe, and I feel like the shoe helps improve my running form. Durability has been excellent, probably the most durable shoes I own.

I agree with many here that the shoe could be slightly lower drop, and preferably lighter! I have however done all sorts of run in mine and I feel like my legs are fresher after a hard effort compared to using my Bostons, even though I still would use Boston if I wanted some actual performance.

The Peg 38 might surprise people. The Peg 35 -> 36 was for me a big difference.

Don't underestimate what an upper does for the shoe feel!

My guess would be better heel lock down, more padded tunge and a more breathable upper. That would be much appreciated updates.