250,000 Americans have died from COVID

kall me koolio wrote:

Harambe wrote:

The only thing "verifiably false" is your prediction of less than 2600 CASES in the USA.

Although he would likely be a lot closer than your far worse "verifiably false" numbers.

Rofl. By what metric? Closer to looking like a moron?

Wanna run the numbers? 11,800,000 cases/2600 cases how many fold off was he?

Lets assume 250K deaths is accurate. Plenty of arguments for it being higher or lower. Vast majority are elderly on their last leg or underlying conditions and/or obese. So a realistic death count for healthy people is ~50K people. Much, much lower for people under 45 years old.

Even at 50K, we are going to shut everything down, again, for less than 0.02% of the population? I’ll take responsible precautions (mask, distance as much as reasonably possible) and take my chances.

If you’re vulnerable (elderly and/or obese), you should be extremely cautious.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Coronadoomer wrote:

The real number of deaths is closer to 15,000 once you deduct all the expected false positive rate, the people who would have died anyway of a number of severe co-morbidities, and incorrectly classified deaths.

Yep. The supposed death count is verifiably false yet is promoted as fact while contrary information is officially suppressed. This should be criminally liable.

Part of the propaganda is the loose substitution of "covid" for cases of suspected sarscov2 infection. "Covid" stands for coronaviral "disease." No symptoms, no disease.

gonna be really awkward for you deniers to explain why more Americans have already died this year than all of last year once we pass last year totals any day now......

why are total deaths up almost 10% this year if this is all fake? and don't even try with the supposed lockdown causing it all, that tired argument has been shredded multiple times. Or that it's a natural increase....year over year increase is nowhere near 10%......plus if it was natural increase it why was it flat until march then skyrocket?

as the math inevitable works its way out, it's undeniable that you deniers were delusional reality deniers from day one.

Even most conservatives don’t deny it, they just believe it’s overhyped. Also, the death rate is very skewed to certain segments.

It’s like being afraid of AIDS in the 80s. Practice safe heterosexual sex and the odds are with you.

And then 2021 will have 10% fewer deaths than "normal" because all those people died a couple months earlier than they would have.

At this point in the pandemic I have fear/respect for the wild card aspect of Covid. If 5 guys die of Covid, 4/5 were probably very old or very fat or both. BUT, one guy was 40 and healthy. And that’s the thing. You don’t know if you or someone you love is gonna be that guy. But it’s happening too frequently to be a “one-off”. Seemingly healthy people in their 30s and 40s are dying from this thing, or having serious long term complications.

Deniers simply don't believe the elderly, sick, or obese deserve to live. Got it. Ironically these are likely the same "conservatives" who should typically be more Christian? There must be a third book about letting the old, sick and obese die.

Alan

wild card wrote:

At this point in the pandemic I have fear/respect for the wild card aspect of Covid. If 5 guys die of Covid, 4/5 were probably very old or very fat or both. BUT, one guy was 40 and healthy. And that’s the thing. You don’t know if you or someone you love is gonna be that guy. But it’s happening too frequently to be a “one-off”. Seemingly healthy people in their 30s and 40s are dying from this thing, or having serious long term complications.

Good people die everyday. Try as I might I’m never going to change that finality. Now that I think of it some of the best folks I know have died. One day I’ll be joining them regardless of cause.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Deniers simply don't believe the elderly, sick, or obese deserve to live. Got it. Ironically these are likely the same "conservatives" who should typically be more Christian? There must be a third book about letting the old, sick and obese die.

Alan

+1000

Before COVID-19 appeared, the projection was for 2.56 Million people to die in the US from Jan. 1 to Nov. 19, 2020.

Many of those 250,000 people would have died in 2020 regardless of any COVID-19 infection. They would have been part of the 2.9 Million who were projected to die in the US for the full year 2020.

Harambe wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Yep. The supposed death count is verifiably false yet is promoted as fact while contrary information is officially suppressed. This should be criminally liable.

Part of the propaganda is the loose substitution of "covid" for cases of suspected sarscov2 infection. "Covid" stands for coronaviral "disease." No symptoms, no disease.

The only thing "verifiably false" is your prediction of less than 2600 CASES in the USA.

US deaths are at 258,333 according to Worldometers. Will be at 260,000 = 2,600*100 DEATHS tomorrow.

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Total ignorance. Did you know that the vast majority of "cancer" deaths and "flu" deaths and "pneumonia" deaths have comorbidities too? Did you know that the death rate is up about 12% since the beginning of COVID? That's right. With 300,000 excess deaths by October 1, when COVID-19 deaths were officially 200,000, we are now above 350,000 (worldometer has 258k right now as the COVID total). Deaths are now running over 2,000 per day, thanks to weather and COVID-skepticism. They will rise a lot higher because of the delays from case increases. That projects COVID-19 official deaths to over 300,000 by the end of the calendar year and somewhere in the range of 350,000 to 400,000 in the first year from March. The excess deaths at that point will be in the neighborhood of half a million. That's a new cause of death getting close to the top two annual killers, pretty much added on top of them. But you're really exorcised about the war on Christmas, right?

Rainy Day wrote:

Lets assume 250K deaths is accurate. Plenty of arguments for it being higher or lower. Vast majority are elderly on their last leg or underlying conditions and/or obese. So a realistic death count for healthy people is ~50K people. Much, much lower for people under 45 years old.

Even at 50K, we are going to shut everything down, again, for less than 0.02% of the population? I’ll take responsible precautions (mask, distance as much as reasonably possible) and take my chances.

If you’re vulnerable (elderly and/or obese), you should be extremely cautious.

Average life years lost by a COVID death in USA: 10 years.

Show me evidence otherwise or be quiet.

DanM wrote:

Before COVID-19 appeared, the projection was for 2.56 Million people to die in the US from Jan. 1 to Nov. 19, 2020.

Many of those 250,000 people would have died in 2020 regardless of any COVID-19 infection. They would have been part of the 2.9 Million who were projected to die in the US for the full year 2020.

Wrong. Average years of life lost 10 years. See my post above.

Yawn, destroying you troglodytes is easy.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Deniers simply don't believe the elderly, sick, or obese deserve to live. Got it. Ironically these are likely the same "conservatives" who should typically be more Christian? There must be a third book about letting the old, sick and obese die.

Alan

My elderly grandmother is 92 and had 3 ish years left to live no matter what. Maybe a little more or less. She decided rather than spending the next 6 or so months isolated which is a huge portion of her remaining life she would rather see her family and accept the risk and have Thanksgiving with her family. What say you to that sir?

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Deniers simply don't believe the elderly, sick, or obese deserve to live. Got it. Ironically these are likely the same "conservatives" who should typically be more Christian? There must be a third book about letting the old, sick and obese die.

Alan

My elderly grandmother is 92 and had 3 ish years left to live no matter what. Maybe a little more or less. She decided rather than spending the next 6 or so months isolated which is a huge portion of her remaining life she would rather see her family and accept the risk and have Thanksgiving with her family. What say you to that sir?

Average years of life lost to a COVID death is ~10. I think most people don't want to give up 10 years of their lives. That's what I would say.

Besides, small, careful gatherings that don't involve travel are reasonably safe. It's not a black and white situation... no matter how much deniers try to make it such.

I am paying attention to science wrote:

CoachB wrote:

If a guy named Mohammed was responsible for thousands of Americans dying per day, we’d be on a war time footing.

Racist spotted!

Religion is not racial. Most (not all!) of the people on Earth who are named Mohammed (in its various spellings) are adherents of Islam.

Islam is a religion. Its adherents comprise every major ethnic group. To make a cutting remark about a Muslim may be bigoted, but it's not perforce racist.

Harambe wrote:

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

My elderly grandmother is 92 and had 3 ish years left to live no matter what. Maybe a little more or less. She decided rather than spending the next 6 or so months isolated which is a huge portion of her remaining life she would rather see her family and accept the risk and have Thanksgiving with her family. What say you to that sir?

Average years of life lost to a COVID death is ~10. I think most people don't want to give up 10 years of their lives. That's what I would say.

Besides, small, careful gatherings that don't involve travel are reasonably safe. It's not a black and white situation... no matter how much deniers try to make it such.

Almost half of the deaths are nursing homes. When entering a nursing home average life expectancy is 13 months and median is 5 months. So let's pretend all those nursing home deaths represent 13 months lost, and none of them were already on their last legs. You suggest the other 130K had 19 years of life expectancy left to make your 10 years average make sense? So are you suggesting those outside of nursing homes on average lost 19 years of life?

Harambe wrote:

Average years of life lost to a COVID death is ~10. I think most people don't want to give up 10 years of their lives. That's what I would say.

If that's true, the average American has lost 2.7 days of their lives due to coronavirus. But we've lost several weeks to lockdowns, several more months of reduced quality of life, and more months to come with lockdowns 2 and 3 on the way.

In that case, we should end all lockdowns immediately and let people get back to their lives. Those afraid of dying can isolate themselves if they choose and accept the consequences.