Stop it. Just stop with the stupidity that if we only wear masks, we'll "open up again."

There are 57 physicians and 15 PAs in my ER group. We are in one of the hardest hit states. We collectively have seen at least 10K confirmed COVID patients. Exactly one of those 72 providers caught COVID(and that was 6 months ago).

We wear masks. Nothing fancy, although most wear N95 for intubations.

There is absolutely no question that if people took masks seriously, COVID would be a negligible problem.

MasksWork?No wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

How does 250k covid deaths result in 309k excess deaths?

They did not. Most of the excess deaths are from lockdown measures. The difference in teenagers with suicidal thoughts this year compared to last year should be enough to end any of these lockdowns. Your chances of surviving this if you are under the age of 65 with a BMI < 27 is >99.9999%.

If you are between the ages of 65-80 and otherwise healthy it is a 99% recovery! This only becomes a problem when you're dealing with people over the age of the average life expectancy. Nobody should care about them, when attempting to prevent them from dying is causing a massive year-over-year increase in suicides and drug overdoses of the younger population.

complete fail.

in the US there are ~45,000 suicides a year.....it would take over 500% increase in suicides to explain the rise in deaths this year........and that seems highly unlikely given that suicide rates, at least according to things like math, appear to be unchanged during lockdown.

next time try actual citing real data

Compliance is freedom wrote:

Slow Bro wrote:

What people want is for the virus to be under control. A lockdown is a way to achieve that.

No one wants a lockdown for lockdown's sake.

So, you either believe that a lockdown wouldn't work, or you simply don't care about the pandemic spreading out of control.

So you do want a lockdown then. Why not just say so? I have no problem with that as long as people are honest. What I am speaking out against is pretending that the lockdown is the anti-masker's fault when, where I am, everyone is already following the mask rules.

I would have welcomed a lockdown in March or April. At this point I'm not sure it will work, again, because of noncompliance.

I live in a place where most people are wearing masks in stores and in public, etc. But there are still people having parties and gatherings. There were giant flotillas of boats filled with people partying in the lake all summer long.

It's understandable to be sick of this situation, so I get it. I don't strictly blame "anti-maskers." I primarily blame the president for politicizing this pandemic, as opposed to trying to unite folks in an effort to defeat it.

The Unkle wrote:

How does 250k covid deaths result in 309k excess deaths?

Probably at least a couple reasons, one being that there are likely a lot more than 250k that have died because of COVID. Lots of people died because of COVID-like symptoms (e.g., pneumonia or heart problems), but without a positive test, and weren't coded as COVID. The numbers suggest many of these were probably COVID. There are probably also excess deaths because of hospitals and medical resources being overloaded/strained, so people dying of other causes where COVID is widespread.

Excess deaths have predominately occurred where there is a lot of COVID spread, regardless of lockdown. Where there is lockdown but low COVID spread, deaths are actually down. So the clear takeaway is that lockdown is not causing excess deaths: COVID is.

Slow Bro wrote: I primarily blame the president for politicizing this pandemic, as opposed to trying to unite folks in an effort to defeat it.

Has it occurred to you that all politicians, on both sides of the aisle, politicize everything?

Bad Wigins wrote:

Ignorant mindless sheep are told to be frustrated.

It cracks me up that you continue to post on threads related to covid. You’ve been wrong over and over again, but you remain resilient on your journey to embarrass yourself once again.

voted out, pants out wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

[nothing worth reading]

says the ignorant clown that thought this thing peaked back in March.

You were more wrong on this than I've seen anyone be wrong about anything, ever.

And yet you pretend like it wasn't you who was clueless and continue to insult others.

Do you even look at charts? ? ?

PS..your election day call hasn't aged any better either......

' you morans, Biden has ZERO chance!!! GA, AZ, WI, MI all should been called for Trump LONG ago....Biden has no chance in any of those!!'- Bad Wigins

once again....math eludes you!!

lololol......clown city!

https://imgur.com/a/W9ZZ7rV

^ just making sure that lots of people see this

Compliance is freedom wrote:

Just admit that you want a lockdown and stop pretending we'll "open up again" if people comply.

True story...

Compliance is freedom wrote:

There's already a legal mask mandate in 37 out of 50 states and a mandate in most major cities in the remaining states. Cases are spiking in every one of them. Just admit that you want a lockdown and stop pretending we'll "open up again" if people comply

https://i.imgur.com/jthH1Xk.png

Slow Bro wrote:

no masks please wrote:

Lockdowns/Covid have been great for Big Tech and online media. Both are seeing record sales/valuations, and not coincidentally are also the ones feeding you the panic news and convincing you to stay at home, click click clicking away.

This is very stupid. I'm not going to take the time to explain why.

No, please explain. NASDAQ took a dive on vaccine news. Wonder why?

Los Soles wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

How does 250k covid deaths result in 309k excess deaths?

Probably at least a couple reasons, one being that there are likely a lot more than 250k that have died because of COVID. Lots of people died because of COVID-like symptoms (e.g., pneumonia or heart problems), but without a positive test, and weren't coded as COVID. The numbers suggest many of these were probably COVID. There are probably also excess deaths because of hospitals and medical resources being overloaded/strained, so people dying of other causes where COVID is widespread.

Excess deaths have predominately occurred where there is a lot of COVID spread, regardless of lockdown. Where there is lockdown but low COVID spread, deaths are actually down. So the clear takeaway is that lockdown is not causing excess deaths: COVID is.

Do none of you remember how people quit going to the hospital for several months and most hospitals were totally empty in the spring/summer? You think people just up and stopped having heart attacks and strokes?

Excess deaths perfectly track with the COVID deaths.

1.) Weak correlation is not causation by any means; that is crap science

2.) % positivity rate is about the most useless statistic someone could use; this is why Cuomo is a complete moron; % positivity rate depends on testing abundance, availability, and the fraction of sick to healthy people getting access to test....it is useless and arbitrary and disgusting that stupid governors like Cuomo are throwing down massive edicts based on it. It is a tool for elitists to punish enemies and region that don't like them.

3.) The two points above show your lack of scientific understanding

Yes, and it is obviously related to a lot of deaths, but the people you are arguing with are too stupid to understand this or much of anything.

Lead Foil Hat II wrote:

Yes, and it is obviously related to a lot of deaths, but the people you are arguing with are too stupid to understand this or much of anything.

When NYC had a massive spike in total deaths...you think that was because hospitals were empty?

Los Soles wrote:

voted out, pants out wrote:

says the ignorant clown that thought this thing peaked back in March.

You were more wrong on this than I've seen anyone be wrong about anything, ever.

And yet you pretend like it wasn't you who was clueless and continue to insult others.

Do you even look at charts? ? ?

PS..your election day call hasn't aged any better either......

' you morans, Biden has ZERO chance!!! GA, AZ, WI, MI all should been called for Trump LONG ago....Biden has no chance in any of those!!'- Bad Wigins

once again....math eludes you!!

lololol......clown city!

https://imgur.com/a/W9ZZ7rV

^ just making sure that lots of people see this

U guys mad or something?

1) projection was valid based on available info at the time

2) Biden's "win" is fraudulent

3) ever heard the term "red herring?" You'll never win a debate by attacking credibility but leaving points standing.

Ignorant sheep stands. Very angry. Cognitive dissonance hurts, but that's something you have to deal with on your own.

That makes no sense. You're against a lockdown because of noncompliance? Very few businesses violate shutdown orders since it's pretty easy to police. And shutdowns are already happening, it's not like it's some hypothetical. Are you in favor of ending existing lockdown orders where they are in place?