Some truths about death and Covid-19

post mahone wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

Mother of God. This is a Globalist attack. Not a national one.

How can you not understand that?

so you're telling me, that nearly ever nation on the planet, many of who have been bitter enemies of each other for centuries, came together to freak the whole world out about a virus, for what reason exactly?

Only certain First world nations you may have noticed. Or should have. Somehow the virus is not surging in Africa of Asia. North America, Europe, and English white colonies like New Zealand and Australia. For some reason places like all of Africa and China and India are fine.

You honestly are unaware that a handful of globalists run the world?

God help us

Gina wrote:

joedurt wrote:

My conscience is fine as it is well beyond my control. My main point is that the knee jerk reaction of shutting down an economy to save the lives of 0.2% of the population comes at a great cost. Shutdowns cause our country to take on long term risk for a short term benefit: prioritizing the lives of a few over the lives of the many. I accept the world for what it is and try to find ways to exploit it's insanity in the most ethical ways possible. Spending trillions of dollars in a futile attempt at immortality is a fool's errand.

The economy was going to shut down anyway.

People don’t want to crowd bars, restaurants, planes of Disney resorts during a global pandemic.

Gavin Newsome's not afraid.

Nor would many people were they not being fear mongered 24/7 in the media

The Unkle wrote:

post mahone wrote:

so you're telling me, that nearly ever nation on the planet, many of who have been bitter enemies of each other for centuries, came together to freak the whole world out about a virus, for what reason exactly?

Only certain First world nations you may have noticed. Or should have. Somehow the virus is not surging in Africa of Asia. North America, Europe, and English white colonies like New Zealand and Australia. For some reason places like all of Africa and China and India are fine.

You honestly are unaware that a handful of globalists run the world?

God help us

China definitely wasn't fine and there numbers are definitely much higher then they report. India is also not doing fine, same with many South American nations like Brazil. Many African nations are also still relatively poorer than most European and American nations so collecting data on them isn't going to be as easy, but a simple google search shows the Africa is absolutely feeling covid.

Now tell me, who do you think these globalists are? What is there end game exactly? How does getting everyone on the planet to freak out about a virus play into there end game?

Actually yes I do. Three with compromised immune systems. But none of them are for keeping kids from school or shutting down the world. They have been very open and clear about that with our family members. They understand their situation.

Look brother, life on earth is temporary at best. Make peace with God and be ready for whatever comes your way each day. There are no guarantees of the next five seconds of life.

Personal security is the biggest lie in first world countries. If you spent some time in poor or oppressed countries then you'd understand the difference.

Anerica is basically the Roman Empire. It imploded from the inside out, not from military attacks. Sound familiar?

The Unkle wrote:

post mahone wrote:

so you're telling me, that nearly ever nation on the planet, many of who have been bitter enemies of each other for centuries, came together to freak the whole world out about a virus, for what reason exactly?

Only certain First world nations you may have noticed. Or should have. Somehow the virus is not surging in Africa of Asia. North America, Europe, and English white colonies like New Zealand and Australia. For some reason places like all of Africa and China and India are fine.

You honestly are unaware that a handful of globalists run the world?

God help us

Are you ever going to actually list the "handful of globalists" that run the world? You've been asked many times for the list of those people and you never answer. I'm betting you won't answer here either.

China is fine. AS is India and all of Africa. Look at the daily death numbers.

You need to educate yourself as to who really runs the world.

I cannot fill you in in a few minutes on a running message board.

I will tell you the end game appears to be the destruction of any economic freedom. Lockdowns ( a prison term) destroy all sorts of small and independent businesses. Cash will be replaced completely with an electronic currency. This has already happened in the cities of China. Oppose the system and your funds will be gone. We will be required to have devised on our person (and later, in our person), which will allow the powers that be to monitor us at all times -- under the guise of looking out for coronavirus or the next "pandemic. This will be far worse than even Orwell wrote about.

Can you site any sources on this? Even a blog post might help.

Also Im gonna have to disagree with you on the numbers from China and India. but we can agree to disagree on the severity of the loss of human life.

The Unkle wrote:

post mahone wrote:

China definitely wasn't fine and there numbers are definitely much higher then they report. India is also not doing fine, same with many South American nations like Brazil. Many African nations are also still relatively poorer than most European and American nations so collecting data on them isn't going to be as easy, but a simple google search shows the Africa is absolutely feeling covid.

Now tell me, who do you think these globalists are? What is there end game exactly? How does getting everyone on the planet to freak out about a virus play into there end game?

You need to educate yourself as to who really runs the world.

I cannot fill you in in a few minutes on a running message board.

You are here all the time. You have plenty of time to fill him in. The MINIMUM you could do would be to finally list the "handful of globalists" you say run the world. It would take you two minutes maximum. You have two minutes.

But you won't. You will not list the globalist you say run the world. Even though you post that there are a handful of globalist (sometimes you say "oligarchs") running the world at least once a week, you won't list them, even when publicly challenged to do so. That's my bet. Prove me wrong.

Critical thinker wrote:

I would gladly sign a waiver to have the option be responsible for myself and live like a normal person.

Right on. Hilarious that Gina thinks that was a good argument.

joedurt wrote:

My conscience is fine as it is well beyond my control. My main point is that the knee jerk reaction of shutting down an economy to save the lives of 0.2% of the population comes at a great cost. Shutdowns cause our country to take on long term risk for a short term benefit: prioritizing the lives of a few over the lives of the many. I accept the world for what it is and try to find ways to exploit it's insanity in the most ethical ways possible. Spending trillions of dollars in a futile attempt at immortality is a fool's errand.

I am not advocating shutdowns. I am advocating common sense solutions that work in other countries like masks, remote work or school where you can.

Alan

Living is the condition of the possibility of doing anything with it. Economic success is intertwined with the COVID-19 situation, not only because of government action but because people will not constantly place themselves into risk for the sake of trivial considerations (trivial for them, the essence of their business to employees of those businesses). When you see that increasing the death rate in this country by 12-15% in a year, as COVID will do (300,000 excess deaths already by October, and currently rising at 2,000 per day as of yesterday; we're already at 1781 today with hours to go), you see that COVID-19 is the worst pandemic, excluding AIDS, since the Spanish Flu, by far and we can't just double, treble, or quadruple that by ending all distancing and mask measures. We also have a larger number of people whose lives will be affected by this because of the long-term health and medical bankruptcies it is affecting. Republicans tend to oppose any actions to help the education of the poor, which is definitely suffering from distance education. But what Democrats are proposing is to aid individuals, families, schools, and businesses through the HEROES Act, which they passed in June in the House, so that they can limit the effects of COVID on their businesses and schools, while also passing mask mandates and closing certain categories of employment to end the pandemic sooner and with a much lower death rate.

India isn't fine. Known deaths are large, while per capita rates are still low primarily because testing is limiting how many lab confirmed COVID deaths there are. China and most of Asia, through wise and rapid action, were able to shut it down. Africa has a very young population, often half under 15 years old, and not very many over 60, and testing is very limited (some countries have had very wise anti-COVID policies as well that have kept infections way down), so COVID cases are more likely to go unidentified but less likely to lead to death and deaths are less likely to be confirmed as COVID deaths. It's no "globalist' conspiracy. Seriously, think about the fact that a globalist would NOT want to assert pandemic, because it cuts off global trade, immigration, and travel, as well as cutting off interaction among nations. It's actually something promoting nationalism.

KaareV wrote:

Since you are a critical thinker. Why do media all over the world write about Covid-19? You are familiar comparative analysis, right? So in my country, where there is no Trump, every day about Covid-19 and not related to Trump. If you answer, since you have a theory, no auxilary hypothesis, beacuse that only weakens the theory. And as a critical thinker it will take you a few seconds to see if you are falsified or not.

Because the mainstream media is controlled by the Pharma Cartel. The Cartel is fearmongering the virus to no end in an effort to get high compliance with the forthcoming vaccines. The goal of the cartel is to have human on the planet vaccinated. Here in the U.S., Big Pharma is the strongest lobbyist in Congress outspending Big Oil 2 to 1!

Are you going to take the vaccine? If not, why? What about Sweden? I hear vaccine compliance over there is pretty high?

formerly present wrote:

If you understand and acknowledge that we're betting on whether there are more American deaths than usual this year, then the wager is on--and respect to you for backing up your assertion. I've been on this board for more than a decade and people know my word is good (also, rojo knows me personally), so you can be confident that if I lose I'll pay up.

And TBH I'd love it if you won, because that would mean a lot of lives saved in the last six weeks of 2020. That'd easily be worth $500 to me.

So are we on, "Critical thinker"? Do you understand and accept the terms of the wager?

What happened to "Once the election is over, the virus will disappear"?

Follow this logic because it is time to face reality

100% of all people die.

If the rate of death for older people is higher this year because of the virus then next year the rate will be lower than even a normal year.

I have said it before and I will say it again. I would rather die tomorrow than live in a hole to my expected average lifespan.

The way we are living now is not living at all folks. I choose the risk. If you don't, then hide at home like you are doing already.

Ivy insider wrote:

Masks and distancing slow the spread which prolongs the period it takes for everyone to get it which lengthens the duration of shutdowns and negatively impacts the economy. That is the whole purpose of flattening the curve, to not overwhelm hospitals by spreading the infections across a year or two instead of a month or two. Come on man.

Yeah, and if we had done a better job of flattening the curve, fewer people would have died before we developed better treatments and hopefully a vaccine in the near future. Flattening the curve doesn't just stop hospitals from being overwhelmed, it buys time.

Flattening the curve also allows most businesses to operate. 3 months ago, pretty much everything in Colorado was open again. My kid was going to school. Now that rates have skyrocketed, most schools are back online, and businesses are having to shut down again.

Here is the real truth about COVID 19. It is a relatively easy virus to contain and control. It is not in mosquitos. It is not in the water supply. It does not transmit well via fomites. It does not transmit well outdoors or indoors when there is good ventilation. It does not transmit well when people wear masks. The virus needs a host. Without a host, the virus cannot survive. There are very good and fast tests for the virus.

When countries have a unified government that backs a containment plan base on science that is fully accepted by the public, the virus can be controlled with minimal interruption into daily life. When response to the virus is politicized and business interests flood the media with disinformation to try to prevent restrictions that burden businesses, the virus wreaks havoc on society and obliterates health care systems.

Minimizing COVID 19 based on some statistical analysis is a process of normalization that is key to getting the public to accept the death and suffering so business interests are not harmed by restrictions. It is also to get you to believe that your government does not exist to help you when times are tough. You are on your own. Government exists to protect business interests from the public.

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post mahone wrote:

[quote]The Unkle wrote:

[quote]post mahone wrote:

[quote]The Unkle wrote:

[quote]post mahone wrote:

[quote]The Unkle wrote:

[quote]KaareV wrote:

I will tell you the end game appears to be the destruction of any economic freedom. Lockdowns ( a prison term) destroy all sorts of small and independent businesses. Cash will be replaced completely with an electronic currency. This has already happened in the cities of China. Oppose the system and your funds will be gone. We will be required to have devised on our person (and later, in our person), which will allow the powers that be to monitor us at all times -- under the guise of looking out for coronavirus or the next "pandemic. This will be far worse than even Orwell wrote about.

Can you site any sources on this? Even a blog post might help.

It is my educated guess. Hence the use of the term "appears to be".

Pretty sure the Oligarchs behind this are not advertising their plans in the media.