Only in 2020: Colorado vs Utah HS XC clash cancelled due to Covid so now the teams are flying to Alabama to clash

taken to the cleaners by big insurance wrote:

rojo wrote:

The reality is Covid has killed 250k in the US already. "

That may be your reality, but it's not everybody's reality.

I believe 250k died WITH covid. I don't believe 250k died BECAUSE of covid.

Why do you think we have had ~300k more people die this year than. in 2019 when looking at the same YTD numbers? Just a coincidence?

In the end you can believe the world is flat, Elvis is living in Mexico, and Hillary is running a pedo ring out of the basement of a pizza joint. Calling that reality though is a bit of a stretch.....

adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:

[quote]taken to the cleaners by big insurance wrote:

[quote]rojo wrote:Why do you think we have had ~300k more people die this year than in 2019 when looking at the same YTD numbers? Just a coincidence? In the end you can believe the world is flat, Elvis is living in Mexico, and Hillary is running a pedo ring out of the basement of a pizza joint. Calling that reality though is a bit of a stretch.....

I attribute a bulge in non-COVID deaths to the side-effects of the lockdowns, which had no effect on the virus but devastated the world economy and produced a year of all-cause deaths per 1000 population somewhat higher than in 2019. 2020 was only slightly above 2018 (bad flu year).

The shift of deaths from one week or month to another is not comparable to the impact of diseases deadly to people of all ages. All these numbers must be adjusted for rising average age of a still-growing US population as the baby boomers move through their final years.

With appropriate age adjustments, 2020 was one of the safest years (and best running years!) of my 80 year lifetime.

In 2000, for example, global all-cause deaths per 1000 were 8.647; in 2010, all-cause deaths were 7.894; in 2020 annualized they are 7.612.

The argument that 2020 will have less deaths than other years doesn't make Covid any less deadly. A large portion of total deaths in 2020 are attributed to it but other deaths are down DUE TO THE PANDEMIC. For example, hardly anyone drove their car in April so the number of traffic fatalities dropped significantly. Another example, the number of deaths from complications of elective surgeries dropped.

It's like saying, if the race would've finished at 9.5k I would've won. The data you choose can be specific to your agenda.

Many people have followed guidelines and reduced the risk. As a result, there have been less deaths, not just from Covid but other areas as well (auto accidents again). Unfortunately due to lack of leadership and guidance, we were unable to slow the spread enough, GLOBALLY. Your choices have consequences.

These families aren't going to be staying in tents at Vulcan park. They're going to fly in and stay at hotels and eat INSIDE restaurants because they are allowed to do so. At one time in Alabama, the state allowed you to discriminate against black people. It REQUIRED the federal government to step in because otherwise the state would have continued it's practices.

There used to be a saying; FOR THE GREATER GOOD. We have turned into a selfish people and lost our way. No man is an island.

Parents are better at raising their kids than the government is. The virus will do what the virus will do, no matter what we do. Who are any of us to say what is best for these kids to do. It's up to their parents.

Looks like Robert has seen that COVID crisis is good for website traffic.

Fraud.

mmpre wrote:

Parents are better at raising their kids than the government is. The virus will do what the virus will do, no matter what we do. Who are any of us to say what is best for these kids to do. It's up to their parents.

We are posters, and this is a message board. Welcome.

(building slow clap) +1

Alabama the only sh*tPit to hold competitions in middle of global pandemic?

Odds maker wrote:

The chance surviving this is 99.9%. If you think 99.9% or 99.99% seems different to the average person, it does not. If my risk of lving through anesthesia is 99.9% or 99.99%, I can't tell the difference. 99.9% chance that I don't die from Covid but the alternative is wearing a mask and not having Thanksgiving and shutting down indoor track and hurting the economy and increasing suicides, 99.9% sounds great to about 99.9% of us.

It’s not a binary outcome

Excellent, factual comment.

If just one thing were done- an honest examination of the mass slaughter that occurred in nursing homes in March/April in numerous locales which were caused by policy directives (crimes of reckless endangerment)- folks would see the Covid fraud for what it is.

Fortunately for the Tech/Pharma entities that are already profiting massively from all of this homicidal lunacy they own the media that catapults their propaganda.

adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:

taken to the cleaners by big insurance wrote:

That may be your reality, but it's not everybody's reality.

I believe 250k died WITH covid. I don't believe 250k died BECAUSE of covid.

Why do you think we have had ~300k more people die this year than. in 2019 when looking at the same YTD numbers? Just a coincidence?

In the end you can believe the world is flat, Elvis is living in Mexico, and Hillary is running a pedo ring out of the basement of a pizza joint. Calling that reality though is a bit of a stretch.....

A chunk of those are people dying from lockdown related issues (not seeking treatment for emergencies, overdose, suicide, etc.). Even if you take the extra 250,000 attributed to COVID, you are talking primarily about very ill individuals that probably did not have many years left. The truth is there are a bunch of old, fat people in this country whose lives have been artificially prolonged with high priced drugs and medical interventions. We are not meant to live forever. COVID is just revealing how many sick people we have been keeping alive at the cost of bankrupting the Social Security and Medicare systems for decades. There is nothing unnatural with dying in your70s, 80s and 90s. The difference between today and 50 years ago is when someone would die at the age of 82 back then, they would say that person died of natural causes and lived a good, long life. Now, they would say that person died of COVID.

adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:

taken to the cleaners by big insurance wrote:

That may be your reality, but it's not everybody's reality.

I believe 250k died WITH covid. I don't believe 250k died BECAUSE of covid.

Why do you think we have had ~300k more people die this year than. in 2019 when looking at the same YTD numbers? Just a coincidence?

In the end you can believe the world is flat, Elvis is living in Mexico, and Hillary is running a pedo ring out of the basement of a pizza joint. Calling that reality though is a bit of a stretch.....

Um, hello, have you looked at overall mortality rates for this year as compared to the previous 10 years?

Rates not overall numbers- population is increasing each year. I have that data so careful here.

So what's the point where enough deaths is a problem and requires action?

You are completely out of your mind- I mean this literally where you have no capability for independent thought as your mind is programmed by media propaganda- you are unable to think any longer.

If we were truly in a pandemic of biblical proportions, remember the entire Western World has been shut down more or less for 8 months, we should be seeing death tolls that are so enormous that we would not even be having this conversation to parse details.

We are not as there is not nor never has been a pandemic- you have been lied to and continue to swallow the lies.

Know your history- same players at work today:

"We are not as there is not nor never has been a pandemic- you have been lied to and continue to swallow the lies.

Know your history- same players at work today:"

What's the goal, Allen? Why are we being lied to? Enlighten us

ggilder wrote:

I attribute a bulge in non-COVID deaths to the side-effects of the lockdowns, which had no effect on the virus but devastated the world economy and produced a year of all-cause deaths per 1000 population somewhat higher than in 2019. 2020 was only slightly above 2018 (bad flu year).

And the evidence for that is? What is causing all these lock downed people to die? It sure hasn't been suicide, heart attacks, strokes, and. so on........ We have those numbers and they haven't changed more than normal variance. Maybe it is the saucer people?

And yes today is safer than 1940. Of course we have things like antibiotics and don't have a world war going on. Why is this year the worst in 30 years? Why has the trend line that we have had for 100+ year changed so radically?

Allen53 wrote:

Um, hello, have you looked at overall mortality rates for this year as compared to the previous 10 years?

Rates not overall numbers- population is increasing each year. I have that data so careful here.

Yep and the mortality rates are much higher. Our population goes up by a bit under 1 million/year and the death rate is a bit under 1%. So call it 10k/year. So. far this year we are at 300k of excess deaths with a quarter of the year left. Maybe trump let in like 40 million people to lower our death rate but I think something like that would have shown. up in the news....

Allen53 wrote:

Fortunately for the Tech/Pharma entities that are already profiting massively from all of this homicidal lunacy they own the media that catapults their propaganda.

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1329578730176606211

That one chart puts everything in perspective. That is a great find. I think I'll make that my background on twitter.

Glad to see people not buying into the scam. Not sure why you losers think government will let things go back to before. Just look out how they behaving like Medieval monarchs ruling over the peasant class. Serfdom is coming back.