Armstrong never his from testers.
The West , or some of the monied west, had far better methods of avoiding detection.
An other indication that WADA only catches dopey dopers.
WADA and associates become a massive industry paid by sport and they now seem to depend on whistle blowers as they just can’t keep up with clever dopers with money.
Jonathan Gault is (rightly) full of praise for Elijah Manangoi - a guy who just got banned for 2 years
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Ok so you truly are a moron. When the article about Kenyan distance runners says 138 “athletes” have been busted for drugs between 2004 and 2018 they mean Kenyan distance runners.
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been to kenya wrote:
Ok so you truly are a moron. When the article about Kenyan distance runners says 138 “athletes” have been busted for drugs between 2004 and 2018 they mean Kenyan distance runners.
Think some sprinter types got banned.
So who is the moron ? -
been to kenya wrote:
Ok so you truly are a moron. When the article about Kenyan distance runners says 138 “athletes” have been busted for drugs between 2004 and 2018 they mean Kenyan distance runners.
Moron? Way to stay on the high road. Here is what the report really says:
"... a total of 138 Kenyan athletes (from all sports) ..."
When the report say "all sports" it's safe to say they mean "all sports", and not "Kenyan distance runners".
More data:
There were 1602 Kenyan runners tested 8945 times, or 5.6x each on average. -
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1ZF1DO
The “athletes “they are referring to are all distance runners.
If you don’t like being called a moron. Stop being one. -
In Kenya “Athletics” means track and field, and “athlete” means track and field competitor.
In Kenya that means distance runner.
Of the 138 Kenyan track and field athletes that were busted for drugs between 2004 and 2018 what percentage do you think we’re distance runners?
Of the dozen or so busted since then do you think were distance runners?
Don’t move the bar. Answer those two questions with numbers. -
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.iol.co.za/amp/sport/athletics/fifteen-kenyan-athletes-banned-for-doping-in-2019-39530975
15 Kenyan athletes busted for drugs in 2019 alone.
All distance runners. -
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1085495/another-kenyan-runner-banned-for-doping
The article does not say 138 busted from all sports. It’s says 138 athletes, meaning from the sport of athletes. The whole article is about Kenyan distance running cheats.
Why are you trying to argue against reality?
Drug taking is rife in Kenyan distance running. I can post a dozen articles on that very issue. World record holders and Olympic/World champion have been busted. It’s at every level. -
been to kenya wrote:
The “athletes “they are referring to are all distance runners.
If you don’t like being called a moron. Stop being one.
It doesn't bother me what you call me, as I have considered the source. It just reflects poorly on you when you are unable to control your outbursts.
If you want to know what the WADA report says, you should consult the WADA report, and not a Reuters article describing the report indirectly.
The 138 "athletes" Reuters referred to in the WADA report includes 2 bodybuilders, 2 boxers, 1 swimmer, 1 cyclist, and 1 weightlifter, in addition to 131 runners.
There is admittedly not a big difference between 131 and 138, but you just doubled down on your ignorance, after being disproved by a direct quote from the report, and still have the audacity to suggest that I'm the moron. I'm not offended, but just feel sorry for you.
More info: the "top athlete" that escaped, didn't escape after all -- it was Patrick Siele, who is now serving a 3.5 year ban. -
been to kenya wrote:
In Kenya “Athletics” means track and field, and “athlete” means track and field competitor.
In Kenya that means distance runner.
Of the 138 Kenyan track and field athletes that were busted for drugs between 2004 and 2018 what percentage do you think we’re distance runners?
Of the dozen or so busted since then do you think were distance runners?
Don’t move the bar. Answer those two questions with numbers.
A direct quote from the WADA report:
"Distance running has produced more AAFs than all other Kenyan sports combined and
accounts for 95% (131 of 138) of all AAFs."
I don't have complete data for "since then" but would also estimate 95%. -
been to kenya wrote:
The article does not say 138 busted from all sports. It’s says 138 athletes, meaning from the sport of athletes. The whole article is about Kenyan distance running cheats.
Why are you trying to argue against reality?
Drug taking is rife in Kenyan distance running. I can post a dozen articles on that very issue. World record holders and Olympic/World champion have been busted. It’s at every level.
The WADA report was not written by "insidethegames" or "iol.co.za" or "reuters"
You are speaking about a report that say 138 athletes, but failing to quote from the report itself.
The reality, and the quotes, I presented came from the report, which said 138 were athletes from "all sports".
Of course drug taking is "rife" in Kenya, whatever "rife" means. That wasn't the issue. Don't move the bar. -
If you don’t know the meaning of “rife” you could easily look it up. Moron!
I looked at some of your other posts. It appears you have a reputation for being an argumentative moron long before being one with me.
Kenyan runners cheat. Get over it. Stop making the exception the rule. Stats don’t lie. It’s the Kenyan distance runners doing the cheating.
I’m done wasting my time arguing with a moron!
Peace out! -
been to kenya wrote:
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1085495/another-kenyan-runner-banned-for-doping
The article does not say 138 busted from all sports. It’s says 138 athletes, meaning from the sport of athletes. The whole article is about Kenyan distance running cheats.
Why are you trying to argue against reality?
Drug taking is rife in Kenyan distance running. I can post a dozen articles on that very issue. World record holders and Olympic/World champion have been busted. It’s at every level.
Schoolboy error; you should know that athlete does not mean track and field.
Nor should you trust a publication that says prednisone is an anabolic steroid. -
been to kenya wrote:
If you don’t know the meaning of “rife” you could easily look it up. Moron!
I looked at some of your other posts. It appears you have a reputation for being an argumentative moron long before being one with me.
Kenyan runners cheat. Get over it. Stop making the exception the rule. Stats don’t lie. It’s the Kenyan distance runners doing the cheating.
I’m done wasting my time arguing with a moron!
Peace out!
rife: "common occurrence; widespread"
You speak of stats -- Don’t move the bar. Answer these questions with numbers.
Does "rife" mean doping prevalence among Kenya distance runners is 5%, or 50%? Is it more than the worldwide average? or less? or about the same?
Some Kenyan runners cheat - Kenya is not unique in this respect. Russian, Moroccan, Turkish, and Ukranian runners cheat, just to name a few from 48 countries where "athletes" were busted in 2017.
Doping is rife worldwide, as demonstrated by the widespread common occurrence of WADA busts.
According to stats, Kenyans are not the worst either. And apparently stats don't lie.
But "rife" is a sideshow, a distraction, a smokescreen, an obfuscation.
The original bar -- what we were talking about -- the one you keep moving -- was not "Kenyan doping is rife".
You claimed that Kenyan bodybuilders, boxers, weightlifters, cyclists, and swimmers are in fact Kenyan distance runners, even after being shown direct quotes from the original source that plainly, explicitly contradicts such a claim. Then, ironically, you think I'm the moron here.
The only thing I feel dumb about is engaging with others for so long, when they continue to argue against clear contradictory objective evidence directly from the original source, then move the bar and attack the messenger who simply points out such behavior is moronic.
This can give the false impression that those I engage with have an argument worthy of engaging. -
Head of African Soccer suspended on ethics charge.
How can Wada work in nations or areas that are corrupt.
Let the west take agreed drugs to have a level playing field. -
rule readerr wrote:
Head of African Soccer suspended on ethics charge.
How can Wada work in nations or areas that are corrupt.
Let the west take agreed drugs to have a level playing field.
Which nation is not corrupt? -
rekrunner wrote:
rule readerr wrote:
Head of African Soccer suspended on ethics charge.
How can Wada work in nations or areas that are corrupt.
Let the west take agreed drugs to have a level playing field.
Which nation is not corrupt?
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi#
Kenya ranks 137th, the UK ranks 12th, New Zealand ranks 1st. That pretty much mirrors the doping busts etc of each three countries. -
Coevett wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
rule readerr wrote:
Head of African Soccer suspended on ethics charge.
How can Wada work in nations or areas that are corrupt.
Let the west take agreed drugs to have a level playing field.
Which nation is not corrupt?
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi#
Kenya ranks 137th, the UK ranks 12th, New Zealand ranks 1st. That pretty much mirrors the doping busts etc of each three countries.
How does it ?
On per capita basis?
What about the drug busts in both Rugby codes in the Uk; they shift Uk totals quite high. -
rule readerr wrote:
Coevett wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
rule readerr wrote:
Head of African Soccer suspended on ethics charge.
How can Wada work in nations or areas that are corrupt.
Let the west take agreed drugs to have a level playing field.
Which nation is not corrupt?
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi#
Kenya ranks 137th, the UK ranks 12th, New Zealand ranks 1st. That pretty much mirrors the doping busts etc of each three countries.
How does it ?
On per capita basis?
What about the drug busts in both Rugby codes in the Uk; they shift Uk totals quite high.
The UK does a lot of testing in a lot of sports.
Kenya does a little bit of testing in one part of one sport.
If they're both as bad as each other, you wouldn't expect the number of positives to be close, would you? -
trollism wrote:
rule readerr wrote:
Coevett wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
rule readerr wrote:
Head of African Soccer suspended on ethics charge.
How can Wada work in nations or areas that are corrupt.
Let the west take agreed drugs to have a level playing field.
Which nation is not corrupt?
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi#
Kenya ranks 137th, the UK ranks 12th, New Zealand ranks 1st. That pretty much mirrors the doping busts etc of each three countries.
How does it ?
On per capita basis?
What about the drug busts in both Rugby codes in the Uk; they shift Uk totals quite high.
The UK does a lot of testing in a lot of sports.
Kenya does a little bit of testing in one part of one sport.
If they're both as bad as each other, you wouldn't expect the number of positives to be close, would you?
What on earth does your question mean!
