A slow runner goes from 5th best to 7th best in her state. That’s participation trophy territory.
Meh.
You might have better luck with your attempt at a discussion if you didn't share it from the lipstick-on-a-pig propaganda factory known as "Prager U".
ryan evans wrote:
All I heard was a white person complaining about losing, again. Don't we have enough of that with the election already?
Check your male privilege idiot.
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
You might have better luck with your attempt at a discussion if you didn't share it from the lipstick-on-a-pig propaganda factory known as "Prager U".
Just want to point out another liberal attacking the source rather than the argument. Liberals do this because they have no argument.
well actually wrote:
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
You might have better luck with your attempt at a discussion if you didn't share it from the lipstick-on-a-pig propaganda factory known as "Prager U".
Just want to point out another liberal attacking the source rather than the argument. Liberals do this because they have no argument.
She makes the standard anti-trans and faux-feminist argument we've heard before.
We've explained before how fighting over how we should define women and especially reducing girls/women to their bodies is misguided.
She repeatedly says 'real girls' and says the 'boys said they were trans' implying they were pretending.
What do you want? There's no compromise the women in the video would accept so what are we to do?
well actually wrote:
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
You might have better luck with your attempt at a discussion if you didn't share it from the lipstick-on-a-pig propaganda factory known as "Prager U".
Just want to point out another liberal attacking the source rather than the argument. Liberals do this because they have no argument.
Please provide counter examples of "Prager U" (quotes used to indicate that it's not a real university) content promoting unrelated and varied feminist perspectives and voices to counter the bias that "Prager U" content always has a consistent, implicit bias.
PragerU, short for Prager University, is an American non-profit organization that creates videos on various political, economic, and philosophical topics from an American conservative or right-wing perspective. The organization was co-founded by Allen Estrin and talk show host and writer Dennis Prager.
well actually wrote:
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
You might have better luck with your attempt at a discussion if you didn't share it from the lipstick-on-a-pig propaganda factory known as "Prager U".
Just want to point out another liberal attacking the source rather than the argument. Liberals do this because they have no argument.
QFE
ryan evans wrote:
All I heard was a white person complaining about losing, again. Don't we have enough of that with the election already?
Careful there, sparky, the core voting base for BLM/LGBTQ++/Dems is white women.
I agree with her, but yeah she comes off as a bit whiny.
well actually wrote:
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
You might have better luck with your attempt at a discussion if you didn't share it from the lipstick-on-a-pig propaganda factory known as "Prager U".
Just want to point out another liberal attacking the source rather than the argument. Liberals do this because they have no argument.
Fake news.
Tatar wrote:
well actually wrote:
Just want to point out another liberal attacking the source rather than the argument. Liberals do this because they have no argument.
She makes the standard anti-trans and faux-feminist argument we've heard before.
We've explained before how fighting over how we should define women and especially reducing girls/women to their bodies is misguided.
She repeatedly says 'real girls' and says the 'boys said they were trans' implying they were pretending.
What do you want? There's no compromise the women in the video would accept so what are we to do?
You have your head up your rear end. Why do biological women have to compromise? Why shouldn't the trans people compromise?
Here's an idea - we'll let you pretend you are the opposite sex....but you can't use the bathroom and you can't play sports with people of the gender you are pretending to be.
ernest 1978 wrote:
Tatar wrote:
She makes the standard anti-trans and faux-feminist argument we've heard before.
We've explained before how fighting over how we should define women and especially reducing girls/women to their bodies is misguided.
She repeatedly says 'real girls' and says the 'boys said they were trans' implying they were pretending.
What do you want? There's no compromise the women in the video would accept so what are we to do?
You have your head up your rear end. Why do biological women have to compromise? Why shouldn't the trans people compromise?
Here's an idea - we'll let you pretend you are the opposite sex....but you can't use the bathroom and you can't play sports with people of the gender you are pretending to be.
Trans people are compromising. See all the talk of how long they've been trans, hormone levels etc.
**They already use the bathroom of their choice nobody asks for ID**
Tatar wrote:
well actually wrote:
Just want to point out another liberal attacking the source rather than the argument. Liberals do this because they have no argument.
She makes the standard anti-trans and faux-feminist argument we've heard before.
We've explained before how fighting over how we should define women and especially reducing girls/women to their bodies is misguided.
She repeatedly says 'real girls' and says the 'boys said they were trans' implying they were pretending.
What do you want? There's no compromise the women in the video would accept so what are we to do?
How is defining women and men, boys and girls by our female and male bodies misguided?
Woman = adult human female. Girl = a female child.
Man = adult human male. Boy= a male child or young man.
How is being aware of biological sex and the enormous differences it makes in the physiology and lives of male and female people and especially in competitive sports a "faux- feminist argument"?
Are all the millions of women who contributed to and bought landmark feminist works like "The Second Sex," "Our Bodies, Ourselves" and "Of Woman Born" faux feminists?
Those of us who grew up before Title IX - when girls not only had little or nothing in the way of scholastic sports and most of us didn't even get PE in school - and who went on to campaign for and build female scholastic sports in the 1970s and 1980s - are we faux feminists?
When your mum and dad brought you into being, was the matter of which one of the two would conceive, gestate and give birth to you really arbitrary and a total surprise to them? They had no idea which one might become pregnant, carry and grow you for 40 weeks and face the trials, risks and pain of childbirth? Really?
If not by our sexed bodies, how else would you define boys/men and girls/women? By preferences in hair styles? Fashion choice? Grooming methods? Interests and hobbies? Mannerisms? Identity claims?
Gee, I thought feminism centers and advocates for the human rights of, and fair treatment for, female people. Who are female solely coz of our female bodies.
Thanks Tatar for showing me and hundreds of millions of women the error of our ways, LOL.
Faux Feminist sez he wrote:
Thanks Tatar for showing me and hundreds of millions of women the error of our ways, LOL.
I don't believe you're a woman for a second. Nice try. Real women know that trans women are real, too.
ryan evans wrote:
Faux Feminist sez he wrote:
Thanks Tatar for showing me and hundreds of millions of women the error of our ways, LOL.
I don't believe you're a woman for a second. Nice try. Real women know that trans women are real, too.
Yes, males who claim to be women are real people who deserve compassion and fair treatment in life.
But if you're saying males who claim to be trans are "real women," what on earth do you base your claim on?
You violated your own values by questioning a woman. Anybody can claim to be a woman. That is the point. You don't have the right to question me or the other poster or somebody who wants to compete in sports.
ryan evans wrote:
Faux Feminist sez he wrote:
Thanks Tatar for showing me and hundreds of millions of women the error of our ways, LOL.
I don't believe you're a woman for a second. Nice try. Real women know that trans women are real, too.
I couldn't care less what you believe about me.
Like I said before, males who claim to be women are real people who deserve compassion and fair treatment in life.
You truly think the vast majority of "real women" believe - no, "know"- that men who claim to be women are actually "real women"? LOL, you're in for a surprise.
I've personally known men who claim to be women since 1974. I've treated them kindly but never for a second did I or any other woman they had contact with believe or "know" they were women.
As I asked before, albeit in slightly different wording, if males who claim to be trans are "real women" what on earth are such claims based on?
What is the criteria for being a woman?
It’s a man’s right to be a woman if he chooses. Women can’t deny men’s rights to have freedom of choice! Women can’t decide for men! Women need to accept that men are stronger, and men can be better at women’s sports than women. It’s not fair to make slower men compete against fast men. Slower men can achieve their goals in women’s competition. We can’t deny men this right!
I am better wrote:
It’s a man’s right to be a woman if he chooses. Women can’t deny men’s rights to have freedom of choice! Women can’t decide for men! Women need to accept that men are stronger, and men can be better at women’s sports than women. It’s not fair to make slower men compete against fast men. Slower men can achieve their goals in women’s competition. We can’t deny men this right!
You are so right! Sorry for speaking up. Back to kitchen I barefooted and pregnant will go.
Faux Feminist sez he wrote:
Tatar wrote:
She makes the standard anti-trans and faux-feminist argument we've heard before.
We've explained before how fighting over how we should define women and especially reducing girls/women to their bodies is misguided.
She repeatedly says 'real girls' and says the 'boys said they were trans' implying they were pretending.
What do you want? There's no compromise the women in the video would accept so what are we to do?
How is defining women and men, boys and girls by our female and male bodies misguided?
Woman = adult human female. Girl = a female child.
Man = adult human male. Boy= a male child or young man.
How is being aware of biological sex and the enormous differences it makes in the physiology and lives of male and female people and especially in competitive sports a "faux- feminist argument"?
Are all the millions of women who contributed to and bought landmark feminist works like "The Second Sex," "Our Bodies, Ourselves" and "Of Woman Born" faux feminists?
Those of us who grew up before Title IX - when girls not only had little or nothing in the way of scholastic sports and most of us didn't even get PE in school - and who went on to campaign for and build female scholastic sports in the 1970s and 1980s - are we faux feminists?
When your mum and dad brought you into being, was the matter of which one of the two would conceive, gestate and give birth to you really arbitrary and a total surprise to them? They had no idea which one might become pregnant, carry and grow you for 40 weeks and face the trials, risks and pain of childbirth? Really?
If not by our sexed bodies, how else would you define boys/men and girls/women? By preferences in hair styles? Fashion choice? Grooming methods? Interests and hobbies? Mannerisms? Identity claims?
Gee, I thought feminism centers and advocates for the human rights of, and fair treatment for, female people. Who are female solely coz of our female bodies.
Thanks Tatar for showing me and hundreds of millions of women the error of our ways, LOL.
The patriarchy has always used biology to justify oppression that's why its misguided.
Ask your former sports teachers and they might have tried to justify your limited options on the grounds women have certain innate biological characteristics which make them more or less suited to certain things. You are what your biology says you are, and should look and act according to what we associate with feminine or masculine. Particularly for women these are oppressive, yes?
These are the same arguments used to justify trans exclusion. You should attack these ideas. Discussing 'criteria' to be a woman is the problem - you set stereotypes which inevitably will restrict. Do you think people on this thread who usually oppose feminism are feminists? No, they only claim to be in this one instance because trans people disrupt their idea of what women are.
I'm sure every sexist will be pleased to hear how fundamental motherhood is to womanhood, after all this is what they've been saying for years. You even mention childbirth being central to a woman's experience and then make a joke about dated perceptions of women having to have children!
Trans rights are women's rights. Feminists should say sex should be irrelevant in the same way anti-racists say race should be irrelevant.