Renato Canova says Saïd Aouita once did a workout of 4 x 400m @ 48.0-48.5

Then he way underperformed in the 800.

Man among boys wrote:

I watched a friend, who was a 1:46 800 runner in college after 1:48 in high school, nonchalantly drop a 49-sec 400 before practice, because we all wanted to see what it looked like. He was so smooth, efficient, and effortless. He could’ve easily done 3 more w 8 min rest between. So, yeah, Aouita’s workout is believable.

You are incorrect. Your friend could NOT have run 4 x 400m @ 49 seconds in practice. He could not di it period much less easily and nonchalantly as you assert. This is not true.

Dope Hardstrong wrote:

Any man who can run under 1;44 needs at least 47 speed or better.

Quite a lot of people can do a few seconds off their best 400 with big recoveries, especially endurance athletes.

I assume you meant to state: ... at least 47.99 400m speed or better.

That is your opinion, not a fact. There is a reason Steve Cram avoided racing 800m at Olympics & World Championships. Cram was not a sub-48 400m man, nor was Cram capable of sub-48 400m .

No way he ran 8:01 then stayed at 14:30 for a few years... 8:01 is worth well under a sub 14.. IAAF says 13:45

lolollol wrote:

No way he ran 8:01 then stayed at 14:30 for a few years... 8:01 is worth well under a sub 14.. IAAF says 13:45

Quite possibly someone told him to run 7.5 laps and he misunderstood and ran 7. That would make sense, running 8:35 or so for 3000, 14:55 for 5k.

lolollol wrote:

No way he ran 8:01 then stayed at 14:30 for a few years... 8:01 is worth well under a sub 14.. IAAF says 13:45

14:30 is just another made up number from him, as so many others.

14:30 is just another made up number from him, as so many others.

Yeah, sure it's more likely that I'm lying than a guy who got chased out of Australia for telling athletes to dope and who had a doctor known as 'doctor syringe' later busted for supplying dozens of runners and cyclists with EPO.

Indeed no way he ran 8:01 then stayed at 14:30.

No way he ran 8:01 as a 17 year old kid in his first run outside of soccer training.

But he did stay at 14:30 for several years.

Aouita also appears to have claimed that he had a V02 max measured of 96 while at the institute of sport, which would have been the highest ever recorded in history. That was before he moved to Italy and started doing those insane workouts, so presumably by then he had a V02 of 120 or something.

The claim of a V02 max of 96 is from : 'Running With The Legends"

by Michael Sandrock (Human Kinetics) - quoted in the pdf link I gave which is the 'GEELONG REGION CROSS.COUNTRY TEAM NEWSLETTER July 2020'

To be frank, Aouita has always been a bulls****r. But the doping apologists and shills here will continue calling me a liar.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/aa-goes-extra-mile-over-aouita-exaggeration-20020725-gdfhd0.html

Jackoo wrote:

Man among boys wrote:

I watched a friend, who was a 1:46 800 runner in college after 1:48 in high school, nonchalantly drop a 49-sec 400 before practice, because we all wanted to see what it looked like. He was so smooth, efficient, and effortless. He could’ve easily done 3 more w 8 min rest between. So, yeah, Aouita’s workout is believable.

You are incorrect. Your friend could NOT have run 4 x 400m @ 49 seconds in practice. He could not di it period much less easily and nonchalantly as you assert. This is not true.

I never said he could do four of them without straining, just that he nonchalantly dropped one before practice so we could all see what it looked like. He wasn’t straining. He was just gliding. Solo. With 8 min rest in between, he absolutely could’ve run four sub-50 400s.

Now, as to the poster questioning what Aouita purportedly did the day after running hard 1200s, well, there is some merit to his argument.

Coevett wrote:

To be frank, Aouita has always been a bulls****r. But the doping apologists and shills here will continue calling me a liar.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/aa-goes-extra-mile-over-aouita-exaggeration-20020725-gdfhd0.html

Maybe you are right but what about creating your own thread while we stay on topic?

Thank you.

And here, have a picture of Coe to keep you happy. :)

Completely changing the subject to defend his made up numbers. As always.

disgusting wrote:

rthrt wrote:

Proof?

Oh, some people said so.

YOU are part of the doping problem.

So you don't have proof. OK.

Now about the subject this thread is about?

Coevett wrote:

rthrt wrote:

Maybe you are right but what about creating your own thread while we stay on topic?

Thank you.

I pointed out in response to Jamin that Aouita claimed to have broken the Morrocan national 3000m record as a 17 year old kid in his first TT off only soccer training.

I was just pointing out another interesting 'fact' about Aouita.

Somebody doubted my claim, and I corrected them.

The link I posted regarding the v02 max of 96 gave more examples of his training.

But let's be real - he was a doper, perhaps the first outside the Soviet Bloc to take it to a whole new scientific level.

The workout Jamin posted is not possible without doping.

As they say - doping ruined coaching theory.

Cool story, changed my life.

letsdrum wrote:

Coevett wrote:

14:30 is just another made up number from him, as so many others.

But he did stay at 14:30 for several years.

In his early years he run about 14:00. What are you talking?

Coevett wrote:

But he did stay at 14:30 for several years.

In his early years he run about 14:00. What are you talking?[/quote]

Are you not going to clarify your completely wrong statement, Coevett?

VO2 tests give different numbers, depending on protocol.

Results can vary by 20%, and generally numbers don't mean as much as velocity.

Wednesdy : 4 x 1200m in 3'01" / 3'03", alternating 150m fast (between 18"5 and 19") and 50m relaxed in about 21" (try for understanding how hard this workout is), recovery 6' between each test

Is this supposed to mean that he did 4x1200m and then did the 150m/50m workout? That would make sense. If it is supposed to mean that he did the 1200m's by means of 150m/50m in the pace above, it makes no sense, because that method gives you 39.5-40/200m, which is 79-80 per 400m, or 3:57-4:00/1200m. So, maybe it was 4x1200m in 4:01-4:03.

Coevett wrote:

jamin wrote:

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https://youtu.be/fb2tJbjgL0s?t=74

Is that a recently made video, or just posted recently? Because if it was filmed this year, Canova is looking good for 75 years of age.

So if you go to the YouTube link, and read the description, there is this paragraph in Russian:

В январе мне повезло побывать на одной тренировке группы Кановы и пообщаться с ним о переезде в Кению, разнице между африканцами и остальным миром и проблемах современного спорта.

Which says (my translation):

"In January I was fortunate to attend one of the workouts of the Canova's group and to talk with him about his move to Kenya, the difference between the Africans and the rest of the world, and the problems of the modern-day sport."

So from that, and the post and comment time stamps (which seem to be around 8 months ago), I gather the video was made in January this year.