COVID about to get ugly

Concerned Senior wrote:

Both Abbott and the idiot Governor of S Dakota should be sued or charged with Negligent Homicide !!!

Why not Cuomo; he actually killed people?

In addition to below; the top three death counts today are Michigan, Illinois and PA

Everything you say is a dishonest manipulation of fact or straight out lie.

State Deaths/Million

1 New Jersey 1,892.80

2 New York 1,754.30

3 Massachusetts 1,497.50

4 Connecticut 1,347.70

5 Louisiana 1,333.50

6 Mississippi 1,216.00

7 Rhode Island 1,215.80

8 North Dakota 1,043.20

9 District of Columbia 945.1

10 Illinois 919.2

11 Arizona 877.1

12 Michigan 872.8

13 Georgia 857.3

14 Florida 829.4

15 South Carolina 815.9

16 South Dakota 796.9

17 Indiana 763.9

18 Delaware 762

19 Arkansas 761.1

20 Pennsylvania 754.7

21 Maryland 723.2

22 Texas 708.4

23 Alabama 697.3

24 Iowa 667.5

25 Nevada 634.1

26 New Mexico 615.2

27 Missouri 599.4

28 Tennessee 592.4

29 Minnesota 556.4

30 Montana 524.9

31 Ohio 503.9

32 Wisconsin 494

33 North Carolina 470.6

34 California 468.5

35 Colorado 460.3

36 Virginia 456.4

37 Kansas 455.2

38 Idaho 453.1

39 Nebraska 427

40 Oklahoma 401.3

41 Kentucky 389.9

42 New Hampshire 370.7

43 West Virginia 348.6

44 Washington 342

45 Puerto Rico 307.5

46 Wyoming 267.8

47 Utah 235.8

48 Oregon 186.8

49 Hawaii 157.5

50 Alaska 136.7

51 Maine 127.2

52 Vermont 97.8

Why do we care about the what happened in the "first wave" when the states that were (by pure roll of dice) hit early had no time to respond or federal guidance on how to respond.

We care about what is happening NOW.

2600 bro wrote:

Why do we care about the what happened in the "first wave" when the states that were (by pure roll of dice) hit early had no time to respond or federal guidance on how to respond.

We care about what is happening NOW.

Seriously....massive failure in NY does not matter? You are delusional. Please explain how South Dakota locking down starting in April would have helped the state of South Dakota? Please use all of the names you use to lie to everyone in your response Mr. Precious Bro Harambe.

Also, I am pretty sure Washington state got hit hard first, why did NYC not prepare ahead of time assuming they were likely to get hit? Maybe because Cuomo sucks and is a murdering narcissist?

2600 bro wrote:

Why do we care about the what happened in the "first wave" when the states that were (by pure roll of dice) hit early had no time to respond or federal guidance on how to respond.

We care about what is happening NOW.

It was not a roll of the dice. It should have been obvious that the major hub cities would get hit first and that states like ND and SD may never get hit with much at all. A child would have made that same conclusion if asked where it would hit first. Dense population zone are where it hits hard, always. Even SD and ND, are mostly getting hit in the cities....not the boondocks.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Why do we care about the what happened in the "first wave" when the states that were (by pure roll of dice) hit early had no time to respond or federal guidance on how to respond.

We care about what is happening NOW.

It was not a roll of the dice. It should have been obvious that the major hub cities would get hit first and that states like ND and SD may never get hit with much at all. A child would have made that same conclusion if asked where it would hit first. Dense population zone are where it hits hard, always. Even SD and ND, are mostly getting hit in the cities....not the boondocks.

Hit? You told me only 6% of the deaths were true deaths. By your logic nowhere got 'hit.'

And yeah, I cut NYC a little slack - they were hit first in the USA. I don't think they made the wisest choices but everyone else should be able to learn from them. They aren't. You haven't! Now low-density North Dakota is rolling past 1000 death/million. Is that "much at all?"

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

When are you going to realize that everyone is going to get hit and it is tragic, but you cannot stop it and your effort are futile and destructive at best when they destroy so many other important aspect of society. You are nuts, and those who think we are doing the right things are trying to drive the train off of a cliff in order to not run over the tumbleweed on the track.

Seriously, from one post to the next to tell me that COVID is either 1) no big deal and faked or 2) an inevitable death wave coming for us all! Makes it hard to think you're doing anything other than disagreeing for the sake of argument, my dude.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Why do we care about the what happened in the "first wave" when the states that were (by pure roll of dice) hit early had no time to respond or federal guidance on how to respond.

We care about what is happening NOW.

It was not a roll of the dice. It should have been obvious that the major hub cities would get hit first and that states like ND and SD may never get hit with much at all. A child would have made that same conclusion if asked where it would hit first. Dense population zone are where it hits hard, always. Even SD and ND, are mostly getting hit in the cities....not the boondocks.

You're right, the leadership in NY screwed up and it bothers me that I still hear Cuomo everyday deflecting this. We were 2 to 3 weeks behind the state of Washington, we didn't learn from them and the southern and midwestern states had plenty of time to learn and they havent responded admirably.

Nevertheless there was no federal guidance early on.

I was reading about the response from Vietnam. They quickly quarantined people and set up hospitals specifically for Covid. Our hospital system in the New York area did not coordinate efforts nor did our rehab/nursing facilities.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Why do we care about the what happened in the "first wave" when the states that were (by pure roll of dice) hit early had no time to respond or federal guidance on how to respond.

We care about what is happening NOW.

It was not a roll of the dice. It should have been obvious that the major hub cities would get hit first and that states like ND and SD may never get hit with much at all. A child would have made that same conclusion if asked where it would hit first. Dense population zone are where it hits hard, always. Even SD and ND, are mostly getting hit in the cities....not the boondocks.

This is false. Check the map of ND counties. It's now the rural counties getting hit worst, way worse than Fargo.

ND didn't need to lock down - until it did, starting 6-8 weeks ago, and then the governor wouldn't do a damn thing. He talked a good game but proved to be another spineless politician.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

In addition to below; the top three death counts today are Michigan, Illinois and PA

Everything you say is a dishonest manipulation of fact or straight out lie.

State Deaths/Million

1 New Jersey 1,892.80

2 New York 1,754.30

Can you cite your link? I’m at work and can’t really check but those numbers seem weird. NYC has 26 COVID related deaths in the last day and we have most of the NY population

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

When are you going to realize that everyone is going to get hit and it is tragic, but you cannot stop it and your effort are futile and destructive at best when they destroy so many other important aspect of society. You are nuts, and those who think we are doing the right things are trying to drive the train off of a cliff in order to not run over the tumbleweed on the track.

Seriously, from one post to the next to tell me that COVID is either 1) no big deal and faked or 2) an inevitable death wave coming for us all! Makes it hard to think you're doing anything other than disagreeing for the sake of argument, my dude.

Nothing you just wrote was honest or accurate. Harambe just plays to confuse and deceive at the cost of many lives and livelihoods. Your ego is selfish, and one of a stupid child.

Precious Roy wrote:

Over 12,000 new cases in Texas today. Highest one day total of the pandemic in Texas. Governor won't lift a finger to try to stop this outbreak. Hospitalizations in N. Texas past the July peak. Over 8,000 hospitalized in Texas and rapidly approaching the summer peak of over 10,000. The Houston area is steadily climbing, but holding ground against the kind of surges seen in other parts of the state. Houston is at around 1k new cases a day. DFW is about 3x that. Hospitalizations will continue to rise and be critical statewide by the first week of December. And then cases will again surge due to spread over Thanksgiving.

I’m in DFW. I knew a lot of people who had Covid in July, including me. Now I know zero. I moved here this summer from the Chicago suburbs, whose Governor shut down hard and fast in March and they have been under tyrannical restrictions since. Cases are completely insane there in IL right now. The county I moved away from is half the population size of Collin county and has double the new cases).

WhatIsHappening wrote:

Looking at the daily charts, we have doubled our cases/day from 4 weeks ago. Deaths lag 3-4 weeks, which means in 3-4 weeks we will see daily death count of 1800-2500 per day. Hospitalizations could get 2-4 times the current volume, and some hospitals are already out of staff (e.g., Wisconsin)

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/12/wisconsin-hospitals-are-short-staff-as-covid-slams-the-state-.html

This is likely going to be bad. Not the end of the world, but lots of short-staffed hospitals slammed with dying patients.

Enough is enough! Time to shut the US down. Quit ignoring science and being selfish. My God, you Trumpers are dumb

It is odd to me that you would say that "effort[s] are futile." In fact, actions clearly matter. Look at how US states compare to other nations. How is it that their actions seem to make a difference, but ours won't?

Rank State/Country Deaths/Million

1 New Jersey 1,893

2 New York 1,755

3 Massachusetts 1,514

4 Connecticut 1,348

5 Louisiana 1,333

6 Belgium 1,294

7 Mississippi 1,216

8 Rhode Island 1,216

9 Peru 1,069

10 North Dakota 1,043

11 Andorra 983

12 District Of Columbia 945

13 Illinois 919

14 Spain 904

15 Arizona 877

16 Michigan 873

17 Georgia 857

18 Florida 829

19 South Carolina 816

20 Argentina 805

21 South Dakota 797

22 Italy 792

23 UK 791

24 Brazil 789

25 Chile 780

26 Mexico 769

27 Indiana 764

28 Delaware 762

29 Arkansas 761

30 Bolivia 756

31 Pennsylvania 755

32 Ecuador 737

33 Maryland 723

34 France 721

35 Texas 716

36 Alabama 697

37 North Macedonia 683

38 Colombia 680

39 Panama 673

40 Montenegro 669

41 Iowa 667

42 Bosnia and Herzegovina 658

43 Czechia 640

44 Nevada 634

45 Armenia 631

46 Sweden 626

47 New Mexico 621

48 Tennessee 604

49 Missouri 599

50 Minnesota 556

"Stay home and save lives" really means "I'm privileged so I can work from home and still make money. I hereby transfer the burden of herd immunity to the workers & peasants who deliver my food and keep society functioning while I luxuriate in my personal digital utopia."

Dwightarm wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

In addition to below; the top three death counts today are Michigan, Illinois and PA

Everything you say is a dishonest manipulation of fact or straight out lie.

State Deaths/Million

1 New Jersey 1,892.80

2 New York 1,754.30

Can you cite your link? I’m at work and can’t really check but those numbers seem weird. NYC has 26 COVID related deaths in the last day and we have most of the NY population

The NY/NJ stats are for the *cumulative* total of COVID-19 deaths in those states.

On the other hand, the MI/IL/PA stat is for *absolute* deaths in those states--not deaths per million.

I can understand there being confusion.

It's LFH - he just rewrites the same monologue in increasingly erratic fashion. No point in responding.