COVID about to get ugly

[quote]appleswan wrote:

[quote]Sham 69 wrote:

COVID has unlimited exponential growth potential because nobody has immunity.

How do you know this? Doesn't the fact that so many folks who test positive never have any symptoms argue otherwise? Or all the folks who test negative despite having been around family members who have tested positive?

Does everyone get flu every year? No, you get it every six or seven years if you're unlucky and haven't had the flu shot.

I have never had a flu shot in over 60 years and never gotten the flu

Verrior wrote:

You are the kind of person that thinks it is OK to have sex without disclosing your HIV status. That is who you are.

LOL! HIV is a DEATH sentence if you can't afford medication. COVID is like the flu. It's way less deadly than the flu for young people but somehow 3x more deadly for old and fat people. Even then your odds of death are slim. COVID just speeds up the death by like three years. Nothing concerning guys.

Verrior wrote:

Sham 69 wrote:

The virus is extremely hard to die from unless you're old or FAT. I don't see what's so sociopathic about Darwinism or the survival of the fittest.

Right of course you don’t. IF I killed you tonight it would be survival of the fittest. You are not very bright.

But you won't and can't. If I get the virus, I could give it to Granny.

The Unkle wrote:

coach wrote:

A few hospitals in NYC were overwhelmed including my local hospitsl-Elmhurst Hospital . Of course it doesnt help that NY has public and private hospitals which dont coordinate.

Seems that's not so.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/cuomo-says-ny-hospitals-were-never-overwhelmed-at-covid-19-peak/

His article is about the politics of NY state putting Covid patients in nursing homes. It seems that it wasn't necessary. The article states:

While the Javits Center and the USNS Comfort Hospital ship sent ny the feds were largely underutilized, TRADITIONAL HOSPITALS WERE OFTEN SHORTER ON VENTILATORS AND PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT.

Hospital capacity in NYC, especially Elmhurst or NY Presbyterian and hospital capacity in Stonybrook or Rochester is very different.

Putting covid patients in nursing homes. It seems that it wasn't necessary. Right here folks, we have a real genius. A guy that can see it.

Nearly 1500 died yesterday from COVID and it's already nearly 1100 today, so we are getting the large increases in deaths predicted. They aren't as large as predicted from the cases because positives are for a lot more young people than in the spring, more are tested than in the spring, and survival rates for hospitalization are up 1/3. But daily deaths have more than tripled from the late summer.

zxczxcv wrote:

Nearly 1500 died yesterday from COVID and it's already nearly 1100 today, so we are getting the large increases in deaths predicted. They aren't as large as predicted from the cases because positives are for a lot more young people than in the spring, more are tested than in the spring, and survival rates for hospitalization are up 1/3. But daily deaths have more than tripled from the late summer.

The 1500 yesterday and 1100 today are from cases 3-6 weeks ago. In 3 weeks, we will be more in the 2000-3000 death range (in line with doubled caseload of late)

Nonsense. Trump was tested daily, something very few Americans could say, and his case was therefore caught and treated early with the very best care available to anyone in America, care not available to the 248,000 who have died, including an experimental treatment.

DanM wrote:

The original pre-COVID projection was for over 2.5 Million Americans to die from Jan. 1, 2020 to today (316 days).

How many have actually died ?

Basic facts would be helpful.

Yeah, because nobody has changed their behavior in any way whatsoever to bring that projected death total down from 2 million to 200,000.

Heck, I haven't noticed any changes. Have you?

SMH

Flymash wrote:

The medical profession has had 7-8 months now to ramp up whatever capacity -- supplies, drugs, staff, space -- they think they need for whatever "wave" or "surge" we may see, and stick the taxpayer with any losses they may incur. If they haven't already prepared for this, my already extremely low opinion of the medical profession will be even lower, which I didn't think was possible. What was the point of "flattening the curve" and all we went through earlier in the year, if not to adequately prepare for this?

At this stage of the pandemic, not one person should die because of some alleged capacity or treatment issue with these idiotic hospitals and the alleged "heroes" who work in them.

Ouch, this is harsh. But...not entirely unwarranted. I am in Texas and we have the worst case count in the country and not many restrictions. I’ve had no issues getting a test quickly when I needed one. In fact, there are about 5 facilities within 10 miles of my house where I could drive up and get a covid test with little wait.

In contrast, I have family in the Chicago area, where they have been shut down with heavy restrictions for months and months, and now cases are surging and they have 1-2 hour waits to get a freaking test, and the place runs out of tests every day. Did you not have 7 months to procure adequate testing supplies?!?!? It sounds like a mess there, in a state that has had sweeping restrictions all along and “took the virus very seriously” vs. where I am in TX. It honestly feels like we are living in 2 different worlds.

I also have 3 family members in another state who got Covid earlier this month. All in the same household, all over age 40. And all reporting pretty mild symptoms.

But but but.

uhhhhh wrote:

It’s not concerning once you realize that false positives are very common and some people get tested 4 times a day for work. Anytime a false positive triggered, it still goes to the count.

False and false. Nobody is tested 4x a day. False positives are rare. Myself and my low-ish risk colleagues are tested semi regularly (not 4x/d lol) and the number of positives is laughable. Far less than 1% and as far as I know none were "false positives". Even if the test was 1% and they were ALL false positives, it would be a god test!

zxczxcv wrote:

Nearly 1500 died yesterday from COVID and it's already nearly 1100 today, so we are getting the large increases in deaths predicted. They aren't as large as predicted from the cases because positives are for a lot more young people than in the spring, more are tested than in the spring, and survival rates for hospitalization are up 1/3. But daily deaths have more than tripled from the late summer.

1100 today spread out over all 50 states is not the same problem we had back in the spring nor in the summer where we had 100s or even 1000s (NYC) deaths per day in regions....right now we are seeing low level but ubiquitous spread of the virus, not catastrophic outbreak. It is still worrisome, but not the same....I personally don't think we will see many states ever hit 100+ deaths a day again....this is the viruses fade out...I hope, because somebody should be hoping.

If you think the leftists are going to pass up this opportunity to try to destroy capitalism and democracy, you are naive. They’ll direct Dementia Joe to do their bidding. I hope at least some brave Americans resist the totalitarian leftist fascists.

coach wrote:

Now that's telling it like it is wrote:

Not only did Trump survived it he made a mockery of it. According to the fearmongering Left, he should have suffered severe complications or even worse.

It's kinda funny in a way: A 72 yr old clinically obese, sedentary man, in one of the highest stress jobs walks away from the infection in just a few short days getting the last laugh.

This irks the fearmongering Left to no end and shows that the virus is way overblown & overhyped.

Or maybe he received treatment not readily available to most people. Probably a bit of both.

C'mon now, he received the drugs Dexamethasone, Remdesivir, Famotidine, aspirin, and from supplements he was given zinc, Vitamin D & melatonin. All of these are readily available to the general public and the Famotidine, aspirin, zinc & D are OTC.

No ventilator needed for Trump. No intensive care required. He wasn't even layed up in bed and basically worked from that slick Presidential office at Walter Reed. What was it now - a 3 day hospital stay? ?

For the first time I actually know people who are getting it.

None are actually sick any worse than a typical cold, but it’s the first time in the whole 8 months of this that it’s felt remotely like a real thing.

appleswan wrote:

Sham 69 wrote:

I'm positive that many at one point have passed down a cold or flu to someone that has indirectly killed someone.

With flu, the number of people a person will infect hovers around 1.

COVID has unlimited exponential growth potential because nobody has immunity.

Infecting 2/3/4 people each means rapid spread with everyone getting it, probably with the next year or two. Even with a death rate of 0.5%, that means 35 million dead worldwide in one year.

Does everyone get flu every year? No, you get it every six or seven years if you're unlucky and haven't had the flu shot. There's no danger of exponential growth.

COVID cannot have "unlimited exponential growth potential" because the population of the planet is finite. And the "science" that some people insist is real has already suggested that some people do in face have immunity.

Now that's telling it like it is wrote:

coach wrote:

Or maybe he received treatment not readily available to most people. Probably a bit of both.

C'mon now, he received the drugs Dexamethasone, Remdesivir, Famotidine, aspirin, and from supplements he was given zinc, Vitamin D & melatonin. All of these are readily available to the general public and the Famotidine, aspirin, zinc & D are OTC.

No ventilator needed for Trump. No intensive care required. He wasn't even layed up in bed and basically worked from that slick Presidential office at Walter Reed. What was it now - a 3 day hospital stay? ?

The president, with minor symptoms was admitted to a hospital. The president is tested daily. The average person is not tested daily and the average person with minor symptoms is probably not rushing to a Dr and might not start treatment early.

If the course of treatment you presented was readily available this past Spring we would have had way fewer deaths like we're having now.

My own Dr (Arnold Weg) was given some of these drugs this past March and refused to go on a ventilator. He spent 3 weeks in his own hospital.

Yeah, I think it's a bit overblown but I'm skeptical and dont believe the average person is given the same treatment the president got. I hope I'm wrong.