COVID is never going away. It's time to get back to the old normal.

Japan - heavy mask usage, outstanding government response, citizens taking the outbreak seriously

Population: 126.5 million

COVID Cases: 110,156

COVID Deaths: 1,841

The US daily infection rate is roughly equal to the TOTAL number of Japanese cases. I guess that it's more important for Americans to play sports, shop at malls, and stuff their pie holes at a crowded Applebee's than to practice enhanced hygiene and eating at home for a month. I must have misunderstood the Patrick Henry quote in history class. I guess what he really said was, "Give me convenience or give me death!"?

it was always unstoppable wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Masks work:

USA: over 100k new cases a day

Pop: ~330 mil

South Korea: under 100 cases a day.

Pop: ~50 mill

Aka

South Korea is also a high-tech surveillance state where the government tracks your every move. I’ll take a mild virus over that dystopia, thank you very much.

Actually, this not solid evidence. South Korea was well prepared. Introduced the best epidemic control progamme in the world. And very early test, trace and isolate. And a lot of other measures, and probably many where immune of other causes. USA reacted very, very, slowly. In my country we didn't wear masks for a long time. Now, only on buses and subways, shops if they are crowded and at restaurants - but not when we sit down :). Outdoors, never. Well, some very, very, nervous people, In my country 5.4 M and 285 deaths. On both sides you use examples that fit your agenda. A lot is using Sweden, but they are dramatically on the rise. BTW, South Koreans are disciplined and they have patience. So not in many other countries. Better luck next time.

Banned in 60 Seconds wrote:

Japan - heavy mask usage, outstanding government response, citizens taking the outbreak seriously

It's not behavior, it's biology:

Nobel laureate Tasuku Honjo, a Japanese physician-scientist and immunologist, said people with Asian and European ancestry have enormous differences in the human leukocyte antigen (HLA) haplotype, genes that control the immune system’s response to a virus.

That might help explain lower Asian death rates, he said, but is unlikely to be the only reason.

Scientists at Chiba University said a whole range of possible genetic factors might condition the body’s response to the virus and deserved further study — even while stressing that there is no evidence yet to back up the idea.

Different immune responses could also play a role.

Tatsuhiko Kodama of the University of Tokyo said preliminary studies show that Japanese people’s immune systems tend to react to the novel coronavirus as though they had previous exposure, and notes that there are centuries of history of coronaviruses emerging from East Asia.

“The enigma of lower death rates in East Asia can be explained by the presence of immunity,” he said.

The evidence is so plain now. The testing is wrong. COVID is a misdiagnosis now. They are killing people through their response to what is not there.

If the testing stopped today "Covid" would disappear. False positives from any sort of viral fragments noticed on amped up PCR cycles of 40-45 are what is driving this bogus "pandemic."

https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1326471518990315521

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It is truly sad what wretched beings we have become in our hyper consumerist capitalist country. I think Ayn Rand would look at what we have become today and say "my God, what have I done?" A vaccine is on the way that will be highly effective and potentially suppress the virus to such a point where it is virtually eliminated. All we have to do in the next few months is stay home as much as possible and wear a mask when in public. That will save hundreds of thousands of lives and save millions from severe illness and keep our health care system from being overrun. But people today are so selfish and self centered that they cannot imagine making very small sacrifices for a short period of time for the common good.

What’s sad is how much freedom people like Mr. Precious are willing to trade for a little safety.

Precious Roy wrote:

It is truly sad what wretched beings we have become in our hyper consumerist capitalist country. I think Ayn Rand would look at what we have become today and say "my God, what have I done?" A vaccine is on the way that will be highly effective and potentially suppress the virus to such a point where it is virtually eliminated. All we have to do in the next few months is stay home as much as possible and wear a mask when in public. That will save hundreds of thousands of lives and save millions from severe illness and keep our health care system from being overrun. But people today are so selfish and self centered that they cannot imagine making very small sacrifices for a short period of time for the common good.

Look, a socialist thinking he can speak for Ayn Rand ^^^ My gosh you people are egotistical and lack even the slightest bit of self awareness.

it was always unstoppable wrote:

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South Korea is also a high-tech surveillance state where the government tracks your every move. I’ll take a mild virus over that dystopia, thank you very much.

I tested positive for COVID on Oct 29 and a second test on Oct 30. I went to my doctor, he ordered the test at the local hospital.

Within a couple of days I have a random guy calling me with the County Health department, he had all of my supposed "private information" and wanted to interview me about my positive test. Name, birthdate, address.

So if you think USA is "hands off", you're wrong, and it will only get worse. One step at a time to "no rights at all"

Runningart2004 wrote:

Masks work:

USA: over 100k new cases a day

Pop: ~330 mil

South Korea: under 100 cases a day.

Pop: ~50 mill

Aka

I am a proponent of masks and know that masks work. That being said, Biden ran under the premise that he would institute a nationwide mask mandate, which he cannot do:

This is up to the local health departments, just as it was under Trump. The truth is, people were outraged at Trump for COVID, when they should have been outraged at their local governor and health department, as that is where the power rests. More Biden lies being exposed by the day. It's also worth noting that one of his coronavirus task force members is Zeke Emanuel, who was one of the architects behind the Affordable Care Act (that has been anything but) who argued for an 18 month national lockdown (although in another article titled "Why I Hope to Die at 75" He said that Americans were obsessed with health remedies in a "valiant effort to cheat death and prolong life as long as possible," and that "I reject this aspiration. I think this manic desperation to endlessly extend life is misguided and potentially destructive.). So I see two opposing viewpoints within a single individual. I hope that they allow the virus to run its course, as the people who are dying from COVID are by and large people who are trying to extend their life as long as possible on the debt of the American tax payer.

Precious Roy wrote:

It is truly sad what wretched beings we have become in our hyper consumerist capitalist country. I think Ayn Rand would look at what we have become today and say "my God, what have I done?" A vaccine is on the way that will be highly effective and potentially suppress the virus to such a point where it is virtually eliminated. All we have to do in the next few months is stay home as much as possible and wear a mask when in public. That will save hundreds of thousands of lives and save millions from severe illness and keep our health care system from being overrun. But people today are so selfish and self centered that they cannot imagine making very small sacrifices for a short period of time for the common good.

Old and obese people dying will ultimately save the health system and social security system more money in the long run. The whole reason Medicare and Social Security are facing insolvency is because we are artificially prolonging life through never ending medical interventions. People are living longer not because they are taking care of themselves (quite the opposite really when you look at obesity rates) but because they are taking thousands of dollars in prescription drugs each month subsidized by the tax payers.

it was always unstoppable wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Masks work:

USA: over 100k new cases a day

Pop: ~330 mil

South Korea: under 100 cases a day.

Pop: ~50 mill

Aka

South Korea is also a high-tech surveillance state where the government tracks your every move. I’ll take a mild virus over that dystopia, thank you very much.

You already live in a surveillance state. You just don’t know it.

Flagpole wrote:

If there had been a Democrat President during this time of COVID-19, and that President dropped the ball so badly on managing it as Trump has done, the religious right would say the virus came from God to push the evil Democrat President out.

... and the liberal media would have been praising the Dem President for doing a tremendous job limiting the deaths to only 200+ thousand. So what's your point?

Still bitter about Hillary losing? She would have done far better, right? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Why isn't this talked about more - all throughout history we've heard of explorers bringing their diseases with them and killing off huge swaths of the population of the newly discovered land. This was due to the populations lack of immune response having never encountered the new disease. If the Rona originated in Asia, why wouldn't this this same phenomenon be at play?

You should know better as a runner. The virus is like a nagging injury that is always hurting limiting you, cut back the mileage and intensity, do the elliptical, supplemental weight training. You're saying just go back to 85 miles a week with speed work, that muscle that's hurting you gonna pop right off the bone. Gotta play the long game on this one son.

Flagpole wrote:

If there had been a Democrat President during this time of COVID-19, and that President dropped the ball so badly on managing it as Trump has done, the religious right would say the virus came from God to push the evil Democrat President out.

I could believe this, especially as the climate hoaxers believed that the virus came from the Earth to punish the evil humans.

I don't think it will work as you describe because many previously functional patients are surviving COVID, only to end up disabled (long-term lung damage, kidney failure, strokes etc). These people will supplant those that died as the new group of disabled, Medicaid patients. Your point that we are able to keep people alive longer is the reason. If you have some data supporting your claim, I'd like to see it.

COVID has made it clear, if it wasn't already, that Americans are generally in poor health, physically unfit, an unable/unwilling to take care of themselves. But, our hospitals cannot turn away any patients, and it's un-American to 'pull the plug'.

Dems and Repubs, what is the point in politicizing COVID? It's just making it worse. If leaders could just come together and decide on some common-sense measures, the American people would listen. Here's what needs to be done:

-wear a mask indoors

-mask wearing not mandatory for outdoors activities, just distance yourselves

-schools should remain open unless large outbreaks occur

-avoid any large gatherings of family/friends

-vaccine development

Is anyone really opposed to these things?

mask wearing is annoying and reduces social connection but it's not too bad I guess

everything else you said is voluntary/not absolute, so i don't care anyway

Only an atheist can speak for Ayn Rand. Any Christian attempting to speak for her is being eqotistical and lacking in even the slightest bit of self-awareness.