2:20 marathoner Jordan Hasay only runs 74:27 half marathon in Oregon

brighteyes wrote:

It's impossible to interpret this result without splits. If she never ran at her purported goal pace, it means something different than if she fell way off at some point in the latter half of the race. She obviously has run some tempos recently at the goal pace or she would not have attempted the half at that pace.

Taken from a pacer's strava activity. Splits:

5:22

5:36

5:38

5:43

5:40

5:46

5:50

5:38

5:38

5:39

5:46

5:47

5:37

Jordan has lived in Oregon for around a decade. I'm pretty sure by now she knows how to dress on a 40 degree day for her best performance.

Hmmm...Mr. SuicidePace (Have you ever run a suicide pace?)

First off, you're in WAY over your head in terms of running experience, knowledge, and accomplishments compared to me. I don't even know you and I'll bet my last dollar I'm right. That's a fact, and please don't reply back claiming otherwise because I'll embarrass you. Second, "Best possible temperate"???? WTF????

Please note: "When it came to running marathon-like distances, 49.4 degrees Fahrenheit was found to be the ideal temperature for men, while 51.8 degrees Fahrenheit proved best for women. That being said, I'll back off my low 60's comment (better for 5k-15k), but the low 50's +/- is spot on. FYI- When Kipchoge broke 2:00 hrs the temp was 54 degrees. Sooooo, it's safe to say that 40F is too cold. Finally, as "ALL" world-class runners past and present would confirm (including myself), to "Worry" about a time trial 4 weeks out and that it didn't go as planned would be unnecessary. If training has been going well (it seems to be) and if healthy (seems to be) you simply have to check it off as an off day, especially given the fact that Jordan admitted she was cold and heavy-legged. Hmmmmm, sounds like she's just beginning to taper. Also, with a new coach, the exact tapering time may be off a bit. She's in a good spot 4 weeks out and if all goes as planned she should run well in Valencia.

My main point is not to overthink your training (let the coach do that), and just do the running and stay healthy. Now is the time to turn off your brain, recover, and get ready to race.

"Go Run One"

It was not 40F, it was 47F, partly cloudy, low wind, no rain.

If you knew what "Purge" and or "Clean out your legs" meant you'd probably run 2:15 (if you actually run).

Yes, she probably had a "Goal" pace she wanted to run but not to the extent that if she didn't run it she would be worried. I'm sure there are more people on this thread more concerned than she is. It seems that she's healthy and training well and just needs to relax and recover. Don't forget that she has a new coach and dialing in the taper period can be off a bit. At 4 weeks out she should be fine.

Let me know if you need me to define "Purge" and or "Clean out your legs". You'll thank me for the advice!

"Go Run One"

She's had about 18 months of bad races now. How many more until she is allowed to worry?

altadude wrote:

43 degrees is not cold. I know it’s relative and whatever, but cmon. Frankly, it’s kinda ideal, IMHO.

I dont get why some of you think that 40 is ideal. Its not. Its too cold. If there is any humidity and cloud cover at all the cold goes right to the bone.

Hardloper wrote:

It was not 40F, it was 47F, partly cloudy, low wind, no rain.

And????

I don' think she was blaming the temperature, just that it was "cold" and she had heavy legs "No turnover". Read the rest of the post. That's the important part.

"Go Run One"

How many races?

How many with her new coach?

Great runners don't "Worry", that's what coaches do. Great runners "Run".

"Go Run One"

Yes please! Always willing to learn.

I'd like to know, what the hell does purge and clean out your legs mean?

Don't worry Malmo. In a few weeks you can read Bryan Quigley's book.

I wonder if her new coach has the same publicly stated approach as her old coach, to thyroid supplementation and other "grey area" pharmaceuticals.

Synthroid / L-thyroxin is a hell of a drug and it is public that Alberto knew that and embraced it.

altadude wrote:

43 degrees is not cold.

45° at the 2018 Boston Marathon.

malmo wrote:

I'd like to know, what the hell does purge and clean out your legs mean?

Exactly, I have never heard that terminology before.

Also there is the mental aspect of this performance, even duplicating this pace for the entire 26 miles will not result in a time that she is looking for.

Might be obvious not to put too much weight on today. But run the basic tests at a temperature she feels is right and sort it out the usual ways.

On a similar topic, what marathon runners will the USA send to the 2021 Olympics? They already had trials in 2020-Feb. But now that the Olympics will be a year later, will there be new trials for the marathon?

Bound4Glory wrote:

On a similar topic, what marathon runners will the USA send to the 2021 Olympics? They already had trials in 2020-Feb. But now that the Olympics will be a year later, will there be new trials for the marathon?

No.

Coach Salazar, being the type of guy to cut holes in Galen's shirt on a hot day, would've immediately corrected Jordan's clothing mishap before she even arrived at the parking lot.