15-year old Aussie Hayden Todd sets world U16 record for 1000 meters - Runs 2:25.70

Coevett wrote:

mr. nice guy wrote:

very clean guy so no accusations. very honest nation all of a sudden producing them one after another. nothing shady at all

For every Kenyan caught, a Western kid realizes that all that stuff about East African 'natural born runners' was a great lie.

To think of all the great talents of the last 30 years that were suppressed because of that rocket fuelled lie (still peddled here after 100+ Kenyan busts).

Go down the US 800m list and you will have 2 or 3 kid with this level of talent almost ever year but nobody runs a 1000m outside of indoors. We are talking about a very, very good runner but not some once in a generation type kid. Things like Max Burgin run 1.47.5. as a 15 year is a whole other level of performance.

I do wonder a lot if other countries systems result in talented kids getting a lot better coaching. How many 1:55/4:30 milers does the US have who suffer from really crappy training in high school and then never run in college?

anglo countries have the beat coaching and facilities, as well as drugs, you imbecile. you're not a victim, you're cheating scum. kenyans get 'caught' cause they either use cheap shyt or they win too much but still don't have enough to pay for good defense so just go away as 'busted'

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mr. nice guy wrote:

very clean guy so no accusations. very honest nation all of a sudden producing them one after another. nothing shady at all

"All of a sudden"

Australia has always had a rich history in middle and long distance running. It has never been a "powerhouse" because it's got a population about the size of Florida, but there has been a regular stream of world class runners since the 1950s.

Also, yes, I agree - statistically it is a "very honest nation". Name me one Australian drug cheat? Oh, you can't?

And don't try and say they're protected - the US, UK, Spain, Italy, etc. have all had a few big names go down. I don't buy that Australia is the most protected nation in the world.

of course I can (ian thorpe, and there were others of course), but to throw some guys under the bus is to show your 'strictness against doping' amd make it seem your other cheaters are 'doing it clean'

I don't even view it as a 'separate' country, it's just a piece of anglosphere, and of course they're the most protected, to even try to deny somehow is beyond laughable

they have plenty of population (25mil) for the super facilities, coaches and drugs to work

mr. nice guy wrote:

of course I can (ian thorpe, and there were others of course), but to throw some guys under the bus is to show your 'strictness against doping' amd make it seem your other cheaters are 'doing it clean'

I don't even view it as a 'separate' country, it's just a piece of anglosphere, and of course they're the most protected, to even try to deny somehow is beyond laughable

they have plenty of population (25mil) for the super facilities, coaches and drugs to work

Which agent employs you to troll here? Aden? Pineda?

indoorszn wrote:

Must’ve been a weak record. Any sub 4:15 1600 guy that’s strong in the 800 could do that

While I agree it's a weak world record, I would hesitate to say that. 2:25 is quite a bit better than 4:15, the slowest runner I know of that has run 2:25 was a 3:55 1500m guy (and that 2:25 was the best race he ran in his entire life). Most 2:25 guys run around 3:50 for 1500, and there's plenty that run even faster. Another piece of information; in 2019 six high schoolers ran 2:25 or faster in the 1000. Their PRs were:

1:50/4:08 mile

1:50/4:09 mile

1:51/3:54 1500

1:50/4:05 mile

1:50 (400/800 guy)

1:50/4:18 mile

Only two of these guys haven't run well under 4:15 for 1600, and those two are much more 800m specialists than the rest of the group. All of those mile times are full miles btw, not 1600. I know for a fact at least two of them had sub-1:50 splits on relays as well.

unlike >50% of the board, I don't know how to get paid for posting

4:02 for 1500m today. A very good time in windy conditions here in Canberra. A big 800m is on for the 14th and 1:51-1:52 should take it out. Let's see how young Hayden does.

Marcus Reilly ran a 4.12.8 mile this evening. That's a 14 year old world record.

Of those kids how many ran the 1000m indoors and then ran faster 800/1500ms outdoors? What are the odds they are just in better shape? Obviously we. are talking seconds here between this being a 1:52/4:12 type effort or a 1:50/4:08 type effort. I expect most 1:52 guys would come close to 2:25 if they ran it seriously. If they then run a 4:05 miler or a 4:15 will depend strictly on how good their aerobic system is. Now there are some 4:10 milers with only. 1:55 speed. They. aren't going to be running 2:25.

A guy on my son's team ran 4:07-13:50 last year and has never gone sub 2.

cig or worse wrote:

A guy on my son's team ran 4:07-13:50 last year and has never gone sub 2.

I am betting if you offerred him 10k to run sub 2:00 a week after that 4:07 mile, he would have had no problem collecting.:) But yes the endurance based guys are going to struggle with faster times. Most fast kids though have much better speed than they do endurance. Look at how many sub 4:05 milers we have had and then look at how few sub 8:40 2 milers we have seen.

Big Hayden ran 1:52.87 in windy conditions today in Canberra. A very good time for someone 15 years of age.

coahc wrote:

Big Hayden ran 1:52.87 in windy conditions today in Canberra. A very good time for someone 15 years of age.

Very good 1km, lots of aussie talent. Canberra quite favourable locale for 1km and less. Did Nathan Stanmore run 1:54 at 14 years? King 1:55 at 15 years on Thursday. Also, Jeffreson runs 1:47.xx this season at 16 years for certain.