Masks outdoors now required in Massachusetts at all times.

portlandia gonna be dumb dumb wrote:

Do the Patriots have to wear them during games going forward?

Only when they RK expects to have a happy ending.

Paul Reverewear wrote:

portlandia gonna be dumb dumb wrote:

Do the Patriots have to wear them during games going forward?

Only when they RK expects to have a happy ending.

Only when RK expects to have a happy ending.

This board needs to allow us to edit our posts.

Dr Yuengling wrote:

coach wrote:

I agree but this shows it's not only democrats that are advocating "stupid laws."

I agree that stupid laws come from all parties, but if we’re being real Charlie Baker is effectively a Democrat.

Very few politicians give a crap about their ideology and are much more concerned about their prospects in future elections. Even if you wear the Republican R on your chest if you are the governor of a state like Mass you are going to govern in an extremely liberal way or else the state will never re-elect you.

For every politician who actually sticks to their principals like Bernie or Ron Paul, there are far more who cave to the Populus agendas that best suit their political careers. Republicans are supposed to believe in small government and adherence to the constitution which means 90% of Republicans are very un-Republican. The Libertarian party today is very much what the Republican party is supposed to be.

bangdingow wrote:

Renewed Marathoner wrote:

Maybe that's what you see. I don't know your experience. For me In a city see it constantly (as in throughout the day) in stores, in line, metro, etc).

And again. I don't advocate the mask law or any more restrictions. I'm over covid and would be fine with a Plan that just isolates the elderly and forces people to stop being fat and unhealthy. That would save way more lives anyways but heaven forbid we restrict cheeseburgers and xl fries. . But I'm also in a no risk category so I'm biased too haha.

You've made your fascist tendencies clear with your posts in this thread. Law-abiding people shouldn't be FORCED to do anything.

I remember listening to an NPR report one morning on the way to airport. This was before COVID. An American expat was being interviewed on Morning Edition and she was trying to explain how it was actually good that the Chinese government tracks smartphone activity and location because it is in the best interest of the community. Even the NPR host was pushing back, but the expat just couldn't understand why it was controversial. The story was about social credit. People can be brainwashed. It isn't fiction.

The problem is the citizenry for the most part. Many want the government to provide everything for us- even a guarantee of safety (I.e. COVID) but we also don’t want our taxes to go up- it puts the government in a impossible position to make ridiculous promises at best or result in government overreach at worst.

A true libertarian small government party (no social security, no universal health care, cut military spending in half, get rid of health care, no minimum wage) would get destroyed in an election.

NPR Listener wrote:

I remember listening to an NPR report one morning on the way to airport. This was before COVID. An American expat was being interviewed on Morning Edition and she was trying to explain how it was actually good that the Chinese government tracks smartphone activity and location because it is in the best interest of the community. Even the NPR host was pushing back, but the expat just couldn't understand why it was controversial. The story was about social credit. People can be brainwashed. It isn't fiction.

There are basically two cases main for individual liberty.

There's the first principles, respect for human dignity case that it's morally correct to allow people to live how they choose, so long as they don't interfere with others' liberty (while acknowledging that the caveat leaves a lot of room for debate).

Then there's the utilitarian case that you can't prevent someone from living the "wrong" way unless you give someone else the power to decide what's right and wrong, and that once you give that person or people that power, they will ALWAYS eventually use it to benefit themselves at the expense of others.

I happen to think that either case is more than sufficient, but once people stop believing in the utilitarian case, they're pretty quick to abandon the moral idea as well.

This is called submission politics.

How much of this nonsense can they get us to submit to

Residents of Massachusetts. DO NOT GIVE IN. Inch by inch they collect miles and miles.

You have free will. Call their bluff.

It has been that way in New Mexico for months. No one really follows the mask law. Most runners keep one hanging around their neck and put it on when passing. Not a big deal.

Just curious if I walked around totally naked but a mask on, would people care?

coach wrote:

Mask hater wrote:

Stupid laws are stupid laws, I don't care who makes them.

I agree but this shows it's not only democrats that are advocating "stupid laws."

True! Republicans also suck, just generally less so.

Here's the order:

"Public locations include any place open to the public including, without limitation, grocery stores, pharmacies, and other retail stores; public transportation, taxis, livery, and other ride­sharing vehicles; public streets and ways; and any location that hosts indoor or outdoor events or performances. Masks or cloth face coverings are also required when in a carpool with non-household members."

I'm pretty sure the Guv has accounted for the toddlers who won't participate. It's like lowering the speed limit from 65 to 55. He's trying to get more compliance. You'll just need to be more vigilant about "being such a cool rebel by not wearing a mask... oooh!" It's not like the police are going to strongly enforce the $300 fine seeing as they're mostly republican (especially in the boonies).

I was worried that he was going to shift back to Phase II, but I'd gladly take the mask order over a rollback. I live in Boston proper, and I see a surprising number of people without masks (including me some days as I just plain forget for my run), as there were too many discrepancies: "We're making this clear for everyone. No more exceptions, and no exemptions for when you can maintain social distance," Baker said. "It's our hope that this simpler, more straightforward rule becomes easier for the public to follow and easier for local officials to enforce this mandatory order this way."

Contact tracing is a absolute joke in the US right now, so we have no idea what the transmission is like, so of course we don't have proof of anything.

I’m pro masks in public places, but apart from restaurants and bars, I think most cases are caused by contact with families and friends.

The PCR procedure is not a test, and it does not test for a covid19 virus.

PCR "cases" are simply people shown to have a certain amplified portion of human genetics.

I was worried that he was going to shift back to Phase II, but I'd gladly take the mask order over a rollback. I live in Boston proper, and I see a surprising number of people without masks (including me some days as I just plain forget for my run), as there were too many discrepancies: "We're making this clear for everyone. No more exceptions, and no exemptions for when you can maintain social distance," Baker said. "It's our hope that this simpler, more straightforward rule becomes easier for the public to follow and easier for local officials to enforce this mandatory order this way."

I'm in Boston too. Forcing masks outdoors has to have the worst cost/benefit ratio of any possible proposal. There is no benefit at all since COVID isn't spreading outdoors to any noteworthy degree, and it pisses people off and makes them angry and less likely to comply with more reasonable requests.

I, for example, no longer give a s*it about anything Baker has to say after this nonsense.

Sorry you think you're ugly. You're probably not. Stop comparing yourself to Instagram models,

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

In California Newsome was trying to get the police to check on people's Thanksgiving dinners and make sure there are not family members from more than 3 different residents in attendance. ....

That's, as Trump likes to say, fake news. Or as I like to say: BS.

One of the baseline assumptions required to believe in this Covid phantasmagoric tale is that you are gullible enough and sufficiently ill-informed to believe that your government actually cares about your health.

Stretching back as far as the eye can see our government has done nothing but enact one policy after the next that benefit the medical establishment and has done little to nothing to significantly benefit the people.

You are officially out of your mind if you think Covid is some "really dangerous virus" and that all of these measures taken over the last 8 months (they rolled out the phrase "new normal" in the first two weeks Covidiots) have anything at all to do with health.

Nope- in the real world it's about power, profit and control. But you stay sleepy as they roll out one dictate after the next....for our own good.

Fortunately more and more people are fighting back.

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The rise in vaccinations has paralleled the rise in autism, autism and dementia.