ACC 2020 Cross Country Championships

money back wrote:

bigtuna wrote:

Sounds like your really downplaying the improvements Wake has made in the past 3-4 years

Wake had a good race. But the truth is that there's no circumstance in which UVA should EVER lose to Wake. UVA has far more resources, lower admissions standards, lower tuition, and a hall of fame coach in Lanana.

That is true but you also have to acknowledge that John Hayes has a really good track record in his coaching abilities. UVA had an off day but Jack Tiernan, who has been Wakes #1 this season, finished as their 5th man coming 30th overall.

Before we erect a statue of John Hayes, let’s be real clear that Wake has not sniffed the NCAA XC meet since he arrived there 5 years ago. Southeast region will be dominated by UNC, UVA, Furman and possibly EKU if they can keep recruiting foreigners. This is not a real season and NCAA is still 5 months down the road.

Pretty sure the Wolfpack men have taken care of the Southeast Region for the past 35+ years and will continue to do so

Kind of a changing of the guard here. Good for notre dame. Meanwhile Virginia and Syracuse have slipped to mid pack.

Now that William & Mary gave up

I still don’t understand how Arkansas is ranked number one over the Wolfpack?!?!?! The ACC is way better on the women’s side than SEC!

rojo wrote:

dickovens wrote:

DEACS ON THE RISE!

Yep. And they didn't even run their top two guys who are in Europe. I've known coach John Hayes for a while and he told me he'd get it done at Wake when he started and I was skeptical. Now after this, I'm starting to be a believer.

But can we all admit now what I said on the podcast a few months ago is correct? Nuguse will make the Olympic team in 2021.

Don’t touch the money on that one just because a conference XC performance.

No. Arkansas is numer 1 without a doubt.

rojo wrote:

dickovens wrote:

DEACS ON THE RISE!

Yep. And they didn't even run their top two guys who are in Europe. I've known coach John Hayes for a while and he told me he'd get it done at Wake when he started and I was skeptical. Now after this, I'm starting to be a believer.

But can we all admit now what I said on the podcast a few months ago is correct? Nuguse will make the Olympic team in 2021.

In what event.?

Considering where Duke's been for years, I thought that they did very well on a really fast day for the men's race, with six teams averaging under 23:50! Outstanding running all around. Duke had four guys under 24, and the fifth around 24:15. That's solid, just not that close to the top.

Yared Nuguse has a bright future.

Looked over the results a bit more today and saw GT's #2 and 3 runners both closed real strong moving up 10 places from 4.7 K to finish at 13th and 14th. They finished as fast (pace wise) as Clairmonte did when she pulled away to win the race, and this seemed to be their fast stretch of the entire race despite it being uphill. Might be some upside there.

zxczxcv wrote:

Considering where Duke's been for years, I thought that they did very well on a really fast day for the men's race, with six teams averaging under 23:50! Outstanding running all around. Duke had four guys under 24, and the fifth around 24:15. That's solid, just not that close to the top.

The course was short.

zxczxcv wrote:

Considering where Duke's been for years, I thought that they did very well on a really fast day for the men's race, with six teams averaging under 23:50! Outstanding running all around. Duke had four guys under 24, and the fifth around 24:15. That's solid, just not that close to the top.

Nuguse was 19:27 through 6.5 K and then 23:03 at the "8k" finish. Hate to break it to you, but he did not run the last 1500m in 3:36.

Probably more than 200m short, somewhere around 40 seconds. That would put his last 1500 at around 4:16 or about 4:35 for 1600. They were at 4:48 average at 6.5k so he probably was 10-15 seconds faster the last 1500

money back wrote:

zxczxcv wrote:

Considering where Duke's been for years, I thought that they did very well on a really fast day for the men's race, with six teams averaging under 23:50! Outstanding running all around. Duke had four guys under 24, and the fifth around 24:15. That's solid, just not that close to the top.

Nuguse was 19:27 through 6.5 K and then 23:03 at the "8k" finish. Hate to break it to you, but he did not run the last 1500m in 3:36.

Probably more than 200m short, somewhere around 40 seconds. That would put his last 1500 at around 4:16 or about 4:35 for 1600. They were at 4:48 average at 6.5k so he probably was 10-15 seconds faster the last 1500

That course also runs very fast in HS 5 K events so I have also wondered whether the measurements are correct..

Time doesn’t really matter in cross country, especially at the collegiate level. It’s only really about who you beat. Different courses and weather conditions make it impossible to compare times. However, Duke performed well relative to what they are capable of.

Josh Methner in 11th in 23:30, 4th man for ND, top frosh, made my day.

Craig Virgin record-beater keeps on rollin . . .

(to be fair to Craig, he won Big-10s as a frosh back in 1973)

I didn't think they had it in them, but they did it. Miami pulled off double last place!

Oh and congrats to the ND women and NC State men.

UNC always performs poorly in sports where crooked conference officials and referees can’t influence the outcome.