How is Sweden doing with COVID-19 today?

KaareV wrote:

The thread is slowly dying because there is nothing out of the ordinary going on in Sweden other than your fear porn. Just like in the US.

Yes, "the fear porn" spreads right into the Swedish Government and the Swedish Health Authorities. Why do they, not you, think there is something out the ordinary going on in Sweden now,? Make a guess. Have you read this "research" from the agricultural lady?

I've always found that research from the agricultural lady is always more reliable than from garden gnomes.

For the love of wrote:

Lol. And even less substance from you and the rest of your peanut gallery. The thread is slowly dying because there is nothing out of the ordinary going on in Sweden other than your fear porn. Just like in the US.

Hey, but at least it looks like for your death cult the big influencers are on your side busy removing any information that may go counter to your false narrative.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iO0K75EZAF8dkNDkDmM3L4zNNY0X-Xw5/view

That article had its own thread already — every point it makes was refuted. It’s telling that you’re trying to jam the same terrible math over and over again and all we have to do is point to excess deaths as we have for the last 8 months. It’s like using an F-35 against a Spitfire or something. Anyway carry on, I enjoy owning you on autopilot.

Right. It was thoroughly investigated and they had each point refuted with even worse math. Best part is that it was taken down after a day. Right. They really studied this one. This only tells us that real math=bad, make believe math=good. Good luck in make believe land. Didn't know you guys were Disney fans.

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Right. It was thoroughly investigated and they had each point refuted with even worse math. Best part is that it was taken down after a day. Right. They really studied this one. This only tells us that real math=bad, make believe math=good. Good luck in make believe land. Didn't know you guys were Disney fans.

Well, no. Excess deaths are very much real. Nobody disputes this. You’d have to believe the entire CDC was pushing out fake death counts or something moon-landing-hoax level like that.

Also the premise that deaths by age group should skew from normal under COVID is clearly false given the COVID mortality curve.

You won’t even bother to engage with the above though. All you can do is call real analysis “make believe” and keep pushing more and more fringe conspiracies.

Think... back in April you all had Ionnadis preprints to push at least but now you have to turn to the JHU undergrad science journal. What’s next — Highlights magazine?

Ooooh, oh oh. Here we go.. Every time the covid cultist is in a corner they go the default you must be a fringe conspiracist. uh oh. This was an undergrad science journal. Its insignificant! uh oh. It's real data is stupid. That journal is stupid. I want documentation but only documentation that supports my fringe covid cult. This math sucks. If math does not equal terror, then it must be wrong!

You're just a sad, hate spouting covid cult club fringer. A denier of reality. Hateful of facts.

Hey, how about this. Prove the document wrong. I dare you.

Look, people. Trumpdom and covidiot-ism have declared the following:

Sweden did not enact restrictions, has suffered barely at all, the economy is great, and all are now immune. We should have done this, you dumb scientists and dems.

Any contrary evidence is fake and will be ignored, no matter how plainly obvious or convincing it is.

This is how Trumpism works.

Look people. Democrat blm/antifa extremists and covid cultists have declared the following:

Sweden is an example that full extremist authoritarian controls must be put in place because our facts are better than yours and even though there is fewer of us we have more money and our word will get heard more than your word therefore we are right. We will refuse to listen to any scientist that doesnt toe our line (which is most) and will continue to make you believe that the Swedes are dying at nation-ending rates and the hospitals are so jam packed people are hanging out the windows.

If people say they have no clue as to what we are talking about then they must be labeled conspiratorial and if there are facts presented then those must be labeled misleading or anecdotal. Or preferably from russian spies.

This is how the democraps cult works

For the love of wrote:

Ooooh, oh oh. Here we go.. Every time the covid cultist is in a corner they go the default you must be a fringe conspiracist. uh oh. This was an undergrad science journal. Its insignificant! uh oh. It's real data is stupid. That journal is stupid. I want documentation but only documentation that supports my fringe covid cult. This math sucks. If math does not equal terror, then it must be wrong!

You're just a sad, hate spouting covid cult club fringer. A denier of reality. Hateful of facts.

Hey, how about this. Prove the document wrong. I dare you.

Yeah it was done in the other thread that everyone stopped posting in because there was no argument anymore.

1) Excess deaths are real. Any argument otherwise is just incorrect. There’s no way to claim otherwise looking at the CDC data. The analysis in the paper looks at a small seasonal window and makes incorrect arguments on top of that. Theres really no debate about excess deaths. Even COVID denier champion Alex Berenson doesn’t argue:

2) the age distribution analysis is flatly wrong as well. The COVID mortality curve closely matches the all cause curve in shape so you wouldn’t expect the pandemic to alter mortality distribution by age at all.

The only way around this is to claim the CDC is just making up data completely. But you are adamant you’re not a conspiracy theorist so....

Nah we just thought the argument that herd immunity thru infection was the correct path was dumb. And we were right.

I know you wanted Sweden to work out since every COVID denier has hitched their wagon to this idea since March but... here we are with no herd immunity in sight. Being wrong isn’t an issue if you learn from it!

Yes, excess deaths are real. Due to the lockdown itself. Not covid. Hmmm, actually because you supported these criminal lockdowns does his make you an accessory to murder?

Imagine. 185,000 additional deaths just in the UK region!

Key point from the paper:

"Striking data from Public Health England, detailed excess mortality trends for the months leading up to November 2020.16 No excess mortality was observed in the hospital or care home setting. In contrast, all of the excess mortality occurred in the “home” or “other places” (fig. 6). In other words, the excess death for many months now, cannot be due to COVID-19, as the latter would dominate deaths in the hospital and care home settings. Rather, the inference is that excess death is now driven by the negative effects of lockdown itself"

The powers that be thank you for your support in killing hundreds of thousands unnecessarily.

For the love of wrote:

Yes, excess deaths are real.

Well geez. You defended the JHU paper for many posts only to dump it without a second thought. Who thought I’d actually convince you :)

Progress.

Harambe wrote:

For the love of wrote:

Yes, excess deaths are real.

Well geez. You defended the JHU paper for many posts only to dump it without a second thought. Who thought I’d actually convince you :)

Progress.

Progress indeed. I am glad you are starting to agree there are no excess deaths due to covid.

Excellent!

So I hope this can begin to create a path where we can together work to wrest control from the corpocracy, break it up, and bring our lives back to normal?

For the love of wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Well geez. You defended the JHU paper for many posts only to dump it without a second thought. Who thought I’d actually convince you :)

Progress.

Progress indeed. I am glad you are starting to agree there are no excess deaths due to covid.

Excellent!

I’m aware you’re still a moron, no need to reinforce that — but you’re one that can be persuaded at least. You should stick around; you’ll probably learn some more.

For the love of wrote:

So I hope this can begin to create a path where we can together work to wrest control from the corpocracy, break it up, and bring our lives back to normal?

Sorry, you’re still a pawn for the neoliberal world order COVID or not. Might as well get used to it.

Harambe wrote:

KaareV wrote:

Some people on this thread will never ever give up, whatever deathtoll. Or, there is a tendency now that they leave this thread. On the run?

And the highest 7 day moving average might be under 80. I hope so. Probably not . A fair chance, though , because very soon we will see a kind of lockdown. But too late?

They give up every thread. They just move to another one and pretend their denial and predictions were never wrong. People are still posting like they are smart after predicting only a few thousand CASES in the USA.

I just can't be bothered anymore to engage a man that can't even admit that an organ in charge of communicating, implementing and overseeing government health policy, (an organ that also has spewed proaganda disguised as information for more than half a century), is not to be trusted in giving unbiased scientific advice on health...

The same man can't seem to wrap his head around what GDP is or how it is calculated, so he can't even see the flaws of using temporary data from 1 quarter on 1 economic indicator when comparing how countries have fared (economically) in their corona strategies.

I don't judge that per se by the way, most people don't actually understand what GDP tells you or how it is calculated, and that's fine..

But most people also don't claim stuff like it doesn't count towards a country's GDP that a government ads 10% to it's spending because it will make the growth lower in the future..

(John Martin Keynes, which even conservatives across the globe has embraced, would roll in is grave...)

I could go on, but again, what is the point?

(My wife would say I have some slightly masochistic tendencies, but apparantely I am not masochistic enough to try to reason with that man anymore ).

You Harambe, even if we don't agree on how covid lifes are priced, I am happy to engage. :)

In conclusion, I see absolutely no reason in giving up my assertation that slaughtering Sweden's approach to handling Corona is highly premature!

Why?

From what I can see, they have managed well through this pandemic in terms succeding with their flatten the curve tactic, and they've achived it by relying on mostly voluntary measures.

And yes, they have allowed the virus to spread, but their death count per capita, even if high compared to their immediate neighbors, is much lower than many countries with much much more draconian measures taken.

Here, we go again. On repeat. Not about the death toll in Sweden. Not that in one post that you assumed that Swedens death toll per capita at the peak might be a third or less of Belgiums or Czechias or later on at least not more than half. And when you are falsified you don't mention it.

Your idiosyncracy, at least one of them is the Norwegian Helsedirektoratet, which we have discussed. I totally agreed with you about their posistion regarding drugs. In the public Norwegian debate, as far as I know, nobody with some credibility, has questioned their integrity. But when it comes to advice it is always normative. And sure then we can agree and disagree.

About the loss in GDP. Your other idiosyncracy. I didn't even mentioned the second Q (it was in a reference), but I did mention all the forecasts from serious institutions. Conclution, so far, the other Nordic countries will at least do as good as Sweden.

Your position regarding the Swedish Experiment: " I TOTALLY AGREE THAT CONDEMNING SWEDENS STRATEGY IS PREMATURE AND WILL NOT HOLD TO SCRUTINY WHEN ALL THIS IS DONE". It was in one of your posts to Lead Foil Hat.

So to Sir John Maynard (not Martin) Keynes theories, "which even conservatives around the globe has embraced", well actually not so. It depends how and where you put the extra money when it comes to GDP. All the Nordic countries have used "extra money", whether they have borrowed them or not. The effect (Keynes 'mulitiplication effect') can go down to zero. In the short run it will have some implictions on GDP, but not to the effect that it will make some difference of any kind when the Nordic countries are compared.

We are discussing Sweden here. But from your side not one single remark about what I wrote. You can go on, comparing Sweden with Belgium and Czechia, and re: Belgium, not take population density into account. Your posistion are still: Sweden, in the end, will at least get out of this as good as their neighbors. Right? You are just being disgraceful " try to reason with that man". Try to get rid of your hang-ups". I gave you the last words last time. And this is tiresome.

You have lots of accusations here.

Do you suffer from a reading disability?

Forgive me for asking, but you systematically keep on misreading what I say, so it's either that or you do it deliberately.

Read through the pages again and try again on what I have actually predicted.

Read carefully though. Hint: Yes, I have most definately mentioned 1/3, but would any reasonable person claim that 1/3 is what I have predicted?

And: You realize a prediction is just a prediction right?

What prediction have I made that is wrong?

I mean, I might very well get a prediction wrong, but have I so far?

I don't have any pride attached to this that makes it difficult for me to admit that a prediction I make might be wrong (I usually mention it while predicting even)

You however can't admit to complete bollocks on what you've written about GDP several times and that Helsedirektoratet's credibility on giving unbiased information is compromised by their very role...

By the way, I happily admit to have remembered Keynes' middle name wrong.

Had you not shown a systematic inability or will or whatever the reason is to actually read what I write, there might be a point in adressing other stuff you say, but I don't have the energy to try.