Confirmed. unkle is out of his mind. The data he has posted is not what he claims. Its clearly NOT a CDC webpage. And it clearly CONFIRMS what KaareV says.
Why is The Unkle immune from question or discipline and allowed along with his likely paid troll nephew Allen allowed to spam this DB with disinformation? Obvious disinformation at that.
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KaareV wrote:
I urge everyone who can read to help The Unkle. I am not able to do so. But by God I have tried and tried.
The Unkle is not interested in meaningful insight. His goal appears to simply be perpetuating the narrative that Sweden has done nothing to mitigate Covid and is doing great therefore countries limiting social interactions are doing so unnecessarily. Citing WHO numbers that he knows as well as you to be incomplete is a way to maintain the narrative without strictly lying.
You can not help someone who is not engaging in good faith, but there are others here who appreciate your insights. -
Monkeys typing wrote:
KaareV wrote:
I urge everyone who can read to help The Unkle. I am not able to do so. But by God I have tried and tried.
The Unkle is not interested in meaningful insight. His goal appears to simply be perpetuating the narrative that Sweden has done nothing to mitigate Covid and is doing great therefore countries limiting social interactions are doing so unnecessarily. Citing WHO numbers that he knows as well as you to be incomplete is a way to maintain the narrative without strictly lying.
You can not help someone who is not engaging in good faith, but there are others here who appreciate your insights.
To day the Swedish Prime Minister spoke directly to the people. In Sweden that is very seldom. Only in times of crisis. He has put the the head epidemiologist, the mastermind behind the swedish strategy, on the sideline. He reminded the nation who serious it is right now, and begged them to cancel absolutely all things not nessecary.
The WHO numbers are always two days late, because they update them when reported from Sweden, but they are quite accurate. Just two days behind the swedish reporting. And the swedish reporting system can't keep track with the numbers of deaths. In the future, when it goes down, the numbers will still show that it is going up or are flat. I don't think Unkle has bad faith, but like all people who believe strongly he is immune. His slogan seems to be: It can't be therefore it isn't. That's actually how extreme ideologies work. And when Unkle cite WHO it is really serious. Because in his mind WHO is part of the world wide conspiracy. But may be not so any longer. -
Monkeys typing wrote:
KaareV wrote:
I urge everyone who can read to help The Unkle. I am not able to do so. But by God I have tried and tried.
The Unkle is not interested in meaningful insight. His goal appears to simply be perpetuating the narrative that Sweden has done nothing to mitigate Covid and is doing great therefore countries limiting social interactions are doing so unnecessarily. Citing WHO numbers that he knows as well as you to be incomplete is a way to maintain the narrative without strictly lying.
You can not help someone who is not engaging in good faith, but there are others here who appreciate your insights.
Just asking people to read the CDC chart.
Not sure how this triggered this rather frightening response giving us a glimpse into your disturbed mind -
We're just waiting for you to POST a CDC chart.
But wait, don't you and couzin Allen typically ridicule the CDC and its numbers anyway????
The Unkle wrote:
Now for the actual daily death numbers per the CDC -- they bear no relationship to Kaarev's number.
https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/se -
CDC is the biggest BS there is. Can you post from a more trustworthy source?
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Useful, you don't understand. It was The Unkle who posted it. He thought and still thinks it is a CDC chart, but it is a WHO chart.
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KaareV wrote:
Monkeys typing wrote:
[quote]KaareV wrote:
I urge everyone who can read to help The Unkle. I am not able to do so. But by God I have tried and tried.
He .... begged them to cancel absolutely all things not nessecary.
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The government imploring, rather than forcing, is the proper relationship. This is how it is in the American Constitution, which the left is trying to abrogate. -
Just asking people to read the CDC chart.
Not sure how this triggered this rather frightening response giving us a glimpse into your disturbed mind[/q
In this response to Monkey typing you don't tell the whole truth. No, you did not JUST that. You wrote that the numbers "they bear nor relationship to Kaarevs number". But that is falsified. I took my time to answer you. and no factual response. And you did not present CDC numbers. It is WHOs numbers. Admit what you did, for your own sake.And then there will be a glimpse of hope. -
YMMV wrote:
KaareV wrote:
Monkeys typing wrote:
[quote]KaareV wrote:
I urge everyone who can read to help The Unkle. I am not able to do so. But by God I have tried and tried.
He .... begged them to cancel absolutely all things not nessecary.
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The government imploring, rather than forcing, is the proper relationship. This is how it is in the American Constitution, which the left is trying to abrogate.
This social democrat has all ready made his move. Not more than 8 people in public gatherings. That is illegal in Sweden. A lot fo other restrictions put in place. BTW I am not a leftist, far from it, very far. But the fact, YMMV, is that Sweden is in a crises, that is Löfvens opinion. And that the death numbers and the infection numbers are on the rise very quickly in Sweden. And Unkle is trying to deny that. But you not I hope. because that would be a denial of reality. -
Budda wrote:
Lead Foil Hat 3 wrote:
KaareV wrote:
[quote]Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Finland is much more isolated and more of a homogenous population. Sweden has a much larger immigrant and foreign population. I am not sure why this is hard for you to understand. What is the point anyway. Norway and Denmark are seeing similarly massive spikes in cases as compared to Sweden. Why have you, usuing one of your other IDs, chosen to only focus on the more isolated Finland?
Both your numbers and your analysis are wrong. It is diffucult to understand the Swedish deathnumbers, because of their reporting backwords. So for every day the numbers backwards grow, they are getting higher and higher. Example first reported 10 deaths on hte 10th, now it has grown to 19. A sober estimation, very careful, of the deaths this week 30-40 a day. And it is on the rise, whether you like it or not. What you write about Norway, and even Denmark is not true. I wonder why you write stuff like this. To day 600 new infections in Norway, Sweden five times more per 1 M, and there is no massive spike, actually it looks as it is flattening. Norway and Sweden is not very different when it comes to culture, social conditions etc. etc. and Stockholm and Oslo not that different when it comes immigrants and foreign population. Where they differ dramatically are in numbers of deaths and infections. But you just go on and go on with unsubstansiated claims. Nothing seems to stop you.But in times we are living in; you are one of my favorites over there, twisting reality so much that it doesn't disturb your "worldview". On Sweden and the Nordic countries you are falsified over and over again. And you go on calling other people liars and idiots, over and over again. I am included in your long list. No decency when it comes to facts, you are totally immune, and no resepct whatsoever when it comes to other people. Also in this "respect" you are my favorite American. Some time ago you wrote that I was living in a basement in NJ. Only once in NJ, At Rutgers. They do some science.
Rutgers? You are not Norwegian.....and never answered about the big race in Loen near your home town? So I still don't believe you. Aslo, cherry pick much. You choose the 600 case low on 11/18 over the 1700 high on 11/17? Why is that? Still upset about the Redskins game on 11/17 and you missed it? Dude, you are a liar through and through. In the end, the Sweden "wave 2" is going g to be much much smaller than all of the lock down nations.
11/09 - 593
11/10 - 562
11/12 - 717
11/13 - 688
11/14 - 518
11/15 - 532
11/16 - 548
11/17 - 600
18/11 - 656
11/19 - 671
You lead foilers need to get better at this cherrypicking game..
That 600 turns out to be so cherry picked that it's pretty much bang average for the last 10 days...
1700 that you are claiming though?
Ehm.. no 1700 anywhere in sight I'm afraid...
That 717 number from 8 days ago is peak for the entire pandemic btw, followed by 704 on november 2nd.
As I tried pointing out to you a few day ago, Norway looks to have pretty much reached it's peak. could be last week, could be this week, but in all likelyhood they will not reach 700 a day (on average).
Denmark (as I also tried telling you), looks to have peaked too on double Norway's number..
Not yet a 100% that either country will quell this wave yet, especially Denmark, but from the look of the curves and with both countries in semi-lock down, it looks like both countries will avoid seeing surges like you see in pretty much the rest of the EU.
Also--> The plateauing of newly infected in Sweden is probably best explained by Sweden being at capacity in their test taking capabilities. They've obviously introduced lockdown measures too, so logic dictates there is a flattening of the curve going on because of that, but in all likelyhood the underlying infection rate in Sweden is still spiking and will continue to do so this week before probably (or at least hopefully) peaking next week. The death numbers will probably rise for the next 3-4 weeks and I estimate they will plateau under the worst hit countries.
We don't know that yet though.
Thing is Lead Foil.. There are valid points you make from time to time (covid lifes are undoubtly priced at a huge premium of other lifes and for sure the reaction in most countries is somewhat (understandably so) overshadowed by fear), but it gets hidden by your anger (especially name calling) and refusal to see what's right in front of you. If you relax on the name calling and make sure how you portray reality would align closer to what the rest of us see when we look at the same data, then maybe we would be more inclined to listen to the rest of what you are saying too.
An angry person that call people names and twist data into a reality that no one else sees is unlikely to convince anyone of anything.
??? Only responding to those that make calling names and twisting data their hobby. The numbers reported for Norway oscillate from lows ~600 to highs btw 1000-1700, although they keep changing.....600 is too low...maybe google is not reliable here. -
Lead Foil Hat II wrote:
Budda wrote:
Lead Foil Hat 3 wrote:
KaareV wrote:
[quote]Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Finland is much more isolated and more of a homogenous population. Sweden has a much larger immigrant and foreign population. I am not sure why this is hard for you to understand. What is the point anyway. Norway and Denmark are seeing similarly massive spikes in cases as compared to Sweden. Why have you, usuing one of your other IDs, chosen to only focus on the more isolated Finland?
Both your numbers and your analysis are wrong. It is diffucult to understand the Swedish deathnumbers, because of their reporting backwords. So for every day the numbers backwards grow, they are getting higher and higher. Example first reported 10 deaths on hte 10th, now it has grown to 19. A sober estimation, very careful, of the deaths this week 30-40 a day. And it is on the rise, whether you like it or not. What you write about Norway, and even Denmark is not true. I wonder why you write stuff like this. To day 600 new infections in Norway, Sweden five times more per 1 M, and there is no massive spike, actually it looks as it is flattening. Norway and Sweden is not very different when it comes to culture, social conditions etc. etc. and Stockholm and Oslo not that different when it comes immigrants and foreign population. Where they differ dramatically are in numbers of deaths and infections. But you just go on and go on with unsubstansiated claims. Nothing seems to stop you.But in times we are living in; you are one of my favorites over there, twisting reality so much that it doesn't disturb your "worldview". On Sweden and the Nordic countries you are falsified over and over again. And you go on calling other people liars and idiots, over and over again. I am included in your long list. No decency when it comes to facts, you are totally immune, and no resepct whatsoever when it comes to other people. Also in this "respect" you are my favorite American. Some time ago you wrote that I was living in a basement in NJ. Only once in NJ, At Rutgers. They do some science.
Rutgers? You are not Norwegian.....and never answered about the big race in Loen near your home town? So I still don't believe you. Aslo, cherry pick much. You choose the 600 case low on 11/18 over the 1700 high on 11/17? Why is that? Still upset about the Redskins game on 11/17 and you missed it? Dude, you are a liar through and through. In the end, the Sweden "wave 2" is going g to be much much smaller than all of the lock down nations.
11/09 - 593
11/10 - 562
11/12 - 717
11/13 - 688
11/14 - 518
11/15 - 532
11/16 - 548
11/17 - 600
18/11 - 656
11/19 - 671
You lead foilers need to get better at this cherrypicking game..
That 600 turns out to be so cherry picked that it's pretty much bang average for the last 10 days...
1700 that you are claiming though?
Ehm.. no 1700 anywhere in sight I'm afraid...
That 717 number from 8 days ago is peak for the entire pandemic btw, followed by 704 on november 2nd.
As I tried pointing out to you a few day ago, Norway looks to have pretty much reached it's peak. could be last week, could be this week, but in all likelyhood they will not reach 700 a day (on average).
Denmark (as I also tried telling you), looks to have peaked too on double Norway's number..
Not yet a 100% that either country will quell this wave yet, especially Denmark, but from the look of the curves and with both countries in semi-lock down, it looks like both countries will avoid seeing surges like you see in pretty much the rest of the EU.
Also--> The plateauing of newly infected in Sweden is probably best explained by Sweden being at capacity in their test taking capabilities. They've obviously introduced lockdown measures too, so logic dictates there is a flattening of the curve going on because of that, but in all likelyhood the underlying infection rate in Sweden is still spiking and will continue to do so this week before probably (or at least hopefully) peaking next week. The death numbers will probably rise for the next 3-4 weeks and I estimate they will plateau under the worst hit countries.
We don't know that yet though.
Thing is Lead Foil.. There are valid points you make from time to time (covid lifes are undoubtly priced at a huge premium of other lifes and for sure the reaction in most countries is somewhat (understandably so) overshadowed by fear), but it gets hidden by your anger (especially name calling) and refusal to see what's right in front of you. If you relax on the name calling and make sure how you portray reality would align closer to what the rest of us see when we look at the same data, then maybe we would be more inclined to listen to the rest of what you are saying too.
An angry person that call people names and twist data into a reality that no one else sees is unlikely to convince anyone of anything.
??? Only responding to those that make calling names and twisting data their hobby. The numbers reported for Norway oscillate from lows ~600 to highs btw 1000-1700, although they keep changing.....600 is too low...maybe google is not reliable here.
Lead Foil Hat. Budda is not twisting data. And google is reliable. The problem with some of you guys is that you don't use the time nessecary to make a sound interpretation. If you google you will find the WHO charts for Norway. Why do you find numbers up to 1700.? Is has to do with the reporting system. If you look closer, every time it is a number over 1000, there is zero two days before, and the day before. If you bothered, well, then you ought to have seen that. So if you divide the number, let's say 1500: 3 = 500. So, go to Worldometer Norway. And under Norway you will find Daily New Cases in Norway. The highest number so far, is 717 registered at the November 12 th. As of to day, this morning, 413. In Oslo 143. If you engages in debates you have to use some time when it comes to numbers. You did not, Budda is not twisting data. Better luck next time. -
Well, ok then wrote:
Disingenuously citing preliminary data for 11/18The Unkle wrote:
11 from Covid per the WHO.
Revised to 17 from Covid per the WHO on Nov 19.
Sweden Nov 18 deaths from Covid revised to 25 per the WHO on Nov 23. -
Well, ok then wrote:
Well, ok then wrote:
Disingenuously citing preliminary data for 11/18The Unkle wrote:
11 from Covid per the WHO.
Revised to 17 from Covid per the WHO on Nov 19.
Sweden Nov 18 deaths from Covid revised to 25 per the WHO on Nov 23.
Yes.
I guess that means when I posted the CDC stats that showed 11 deaths for the day I was really lying. -
Well, ok then wrote:
Well, ok then wrote:
Disingenuously citing preliminary data for 11/18The Unkle wrote:
11 from Covid per the WHO.
Revised to 17 from Covid per the WHO on Nov 19.
Sweden Nov 18 deaths from Covid revised to 25 per the WHO on Nov 23.
Unkle doesn't understand it. It will be revised all four days, they just report tuesday, wednesday, thursday and friday. next week. WHOs revisions is actually refering to Nov 16, but they get the numbers two days after from Sweden. And the swedes again, update backwards all the time.
The Swedes 17 at Nov 12 - WHO 17 at Nov 14
18 at Nov 13 - WHO 18 at Nov 15
20 at Nov 14 - WHO 20 at Nov 16
17 at Nov 15 - WHO 17 at Nov 17
25 at Nov 16 - WHO 25 at Nov 18
20 at Nov 17 - WHO 20 at Nov 19
11 at Nov 18 - WHO 11 at Nov 20
Simple as that. All the. Both correct numbers. Worldometer use the Swedes number on correct dates. To morrow all of these numbers, at least most of them will go up, and so for the rest of the week. The numbers will rise from Nov 12. How much, up to over 40, may be higher. And then The Unkle will understand it, I hope. So far the highest number of deaths Nov 9. 33. Even that number might be revised. From the Swedes we will never know exactly before 7-10 days later. -
The WHO?
And you really want to trust them huh?
https://www.tesfanews.net/gangster-who-head-tedros-adhanom/ -
[quote]careful out there wrote:
The WHO?
And you really want to trust them huh?
When the numbers correspond with what the Swedish Helth Authorities reports, absolutely. The WHO has a lot of excellent statistics. BTW, do you have any arguments? -
KaareV wrote:
[quote]careful out there wrote:
The WHO?
And you really want to trust them huh?
When the numbers correspond with what the Swedish Helth Authorities reports, absolutely. The WHO has a lot of excellent statistics. BTW, do you have any arguments?
It is foolish to accept that any numbers given to us from the establishment are honest and accurate without having any skepticism. -
The Unkle wrote:
Well, ok then wrote:
Well, ok then wrote:
Disingenuously citing preliminary data for 11/18The Unkle wrote:
11 from Covid per the WHO.
Revised to 17 from Covid per the WHO on Nov 19.
Sweden Nov 18 deaths from Covid revised to 25 per the WHO on Nov 23.
Yes.
I guess that means when I posted the CDC stats that showed 11 deaths for the day I was really lying.
No, you are not lying, Unkle. But when you write about numbers you seems to get the context wrong. To lie is a deliberate action. But you are just a bit bewildered about how the reporting system in Sweden works. And it is very difficult to convince you, even when things are crystal clear. -
As opposed to the gangster conman who ran the US for 4 years?
careful out there wrote:
The WHO?
And you really want to trust them huh?
https://www.tesfanews.net/gangster-who-head-tedros-adhanom/
