How is Sweden doing with COVID-19 today?

useful idiots wrote:

You can blur out the peoples faces. Pretty sure you knew that already. What is sick here is that, if I am hearing correctly, is that you actually don't want anyone finding any actual physical evidence to counter your fabricated story? You actually want us to simply take your word for it? This is beyond an all time low. It is criminal, and beyond disgusting. Your kind and this whole situation is getting more and more repulsive as each day goes on.

"I will only accept evidence I have arbitrarily decided is valid. The fact this this evidence isn't immediately presented means the WHOLE THING is a BIG CONSPIRACY. WWG1WGA"

^that's how you sound :)

If the faces were blurred out you’d be complaining that they’re body doubles or dolls, not real people. Get a hold of yourself man

Precious Roy wrote:

YMMV wrote:

In Berlin, thousands of actual peaceful protesters were assaulted with water cannon, since unlike those who burn and loot in the name of "social justice", it is illegal to question the edicts of lockdown overlords and peaceful normal people will be shoved back into their homes or hauled off to jail (where criminals were already released to make way for covid protesters).

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/11/18/936184870/berlin-police-disperse-anti-lockdown-protesters-with-water-cannonshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiVEEIE5hss

"The Berlin police said officers were attacked with bottles, firecrackers, stones and pepper spray, prompting the decision to bring in water cannons to break up the protests."

Not peaceful and not normal.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/germany-coronavirus-anti-covid-protest-police-use-water-cannon-arrests-berlin/

I posted a four-minute video showing the peaceful and orderly protest being attacked. You respond with the opinion/disinformation released by the police themselves. I will take the evidence of my eyes over your counterfactual BS. You seriously are a robot with no concept of humanity, reason or liberty whatsoever. Purely programmed spambot.

Methodologies? Excess deaths involve certain methods, yes. That's a good thing. We don't want someone throwing dice. As for the multiple conditions involved in most cases, that's the case with cancer deaths, flu deaths, you name it. Comorbidities lead to much higher death rates. And another complication is that COVID produces conditions also called comorbidities, such as pneumonia. In fact, the steep rise in pneumonia deaths since COVID suggests that COVID was being undercounted.

Harambe wrote:

useful idiots wrote:

You can blur out the peoples faces. Pretty sure you knew that already. What is sick here is that, if I am hearing correctly, is that you actually don't want anyone finding any actual physical evidence to counter your fabricated story? You actually want us to simply take your word for it? This is beyond an all time low. It is criminal, and beyond disgusting. Your kind and this whole situation is getting more and more repulsive as each day goes on.

"I will only accept evidence I have arbitrarily decided is valid. The fact this this evidence isn't immediately presented means the WHOLE THING is a BIG CONSPIRACY. WWG1WGA"

^that's how you sound :)

"I will only accept information that I have been told by my superiors. Doesn't matter if they have a dubious past, no one investigates this stuff (or at least they may but they will be called extremists or nutjobs), or if it is or isn't grounded in reality" "I will obey"

^That's how you sound.

and this is how things like NAZI takeovers happen. Or do you feel NAZI is just a big conspiracy theory? Didn't happen? Or they weren't there to cause trouble?

sometimes wrote:

useful idiots wrote:

You can blur out the peoples faces. Pretty sure you knew that already. What is sick here is that, if I am hearing correctly, is that you actually don't want anyone finding any actual physical evidence to counter your fabricated story? You actually want us to simply take your word for it? This is beyond an all time low. It is criminal, and beyond disgusting. Your kind and this whole situation is getting more and more repulsive as each day goes on.

If the faces were blurred out you’d be complaining that they’re body doubles or dolls, not real people. Get a hold of yourself man

A lifeless doll would probably be a good answer if someone were to ask you what your rationale, compassion, and capacity for understanding are like.

useful idiots wrote:

[quote]Harambe wrote:

"I will only accept information that I have been told by my superiors. Doesn't matter if they have a dubious past, no one investigates this stuff (or at least they may but they will be called extremists or nutjobs), or if it is or isn't grounded in reality" "I will obey"

^That's how you sound.

and this is how things like NAZI takeovers happen. Or do you feel NAZI is just a big conspiracy theory? Didn't happen? Or they weren't there to cause trouble?

Yeah people do investigate these things. They're called scientists.

But wait, science is a liberal conspiracy now too.

Only basement bloggers can know Truth in this day and age.

P.S. My history book says the Nazis were real. Am I supposed to believe that? Or reject it because it's an "authority." I can't keep up -- straighten me out?

YMMV wrote:

In Berlin, thousands of actual peaceful protesters were assaulted with water cannon, since unlike those who burn and loot in the name of "social justice", it is illegal to question the edicts of lockdown overlords and peaceful normal people will be shoved back into their homes or hauled off to jail (where criminals were already released to make way for covid protesters).

Why did you post this to me? An answer to what? No quote. You want me to comment,or may be this is part of an enlightenment campaign from your side? You must have investigated this thoroughly. Sine I live around the corner, some 10-11 hrs by car, I have seen other reports. According to BBC, which may be part of MSM? , there were a lot of stone- and bottlethrowing and firecrackers, before the police used watercanons. Very carefully, though. You know Germany. This demonstration. partly AfD, on the extreme right, partly vaccinedeniers and left-wing groups, was illegal. Hauled off to jails? In Berlin? Criminals released? In Berlin? Documentation, please. There is a quickly spread of corona in Berlin and heavy restrictions on public gatherings. So it is your opinon that the police shouldn't do their job. And it is also "illegal to question the edicts of lockdown overlords"? Which German Law??? I am interested in this, because I often go to Berlin ( and so do you?) , so please help me. You can, can't you? BTW in Sweden; not more than 8 in public gatherings.

My days are not the same without Lead Foiled Hat, Unkle, Browski, Allan 53 and you. I can more or less find out what is going on in parts of the American Mind. Learning day by day. Stay safe. I am looking foreward to your answer. I am sure you will keep up the good work.

Looking foreward to your answer. Stay safe.

"I will only accept information that I have been told by my superiors. Doesn't matter if they have a dubious past, no one investigates this stuff (or at least they may but they will be called extremists or nutjobs), or if it is or isn't grounded in reality" "I will obey"

^That's how you sound.

and this is how things like NAZI takeovers happen. Or do you feel NAZI is just a big conspiracy theory? Didn't happen? Or they weren't there to cause trouble?[/quote).

"This is how things like NAZI takeovers happen". Is it, really. You must be interested in History, Especially German History, Useful. There was one NAZI takeover. And the nazis used a lot of conspiracy theories. The closest we can come in these days are what is happening in over there. But even that is by far not close, more like something that usually happens in Bananarepublics. It is disturbing, though.

Yes, the NAZI takeover was pseudo-legal, but that you know since you are well read, but before that, before Hitler became Kanzler des Reiches, there were freedom of speach etc, even after he became Kanzler. To compare restrictions in democratic countries with the NAZI takeover, well... it smells of conspiracy, right, theory. But only one NAZI takeover, Useful.

Saw it just now, Budda. My sentences above. I stand corrected.

I am still not sure of "cherry picking". May be I left out some nuances, but so did you. The numbers of excess deaths are complicated. In the winter/spring reduction of "Vinterkräksjukan", I mentioned hygine, you did not.

But I totally disagrees when it comes to Norway and Denmark: " The politicians took over and decided to try and erradicate deaths from from this virus at almost any cost it seems". It doesn't seem. No, it was not a total lockdown, And not at any cost,. The shops were open. One could go out shopping. Though, one could not go tho the barbershops for six weeks, Some mistakes were made. Lockdown of schools, for example. And slowdown of the economy, the same as in Sweden. But when it comes to unemployment, Norway better than Sweden.

You write "I think both polcies have worked reasonably well". How did you draw such an conclution? By now, Norway 55 deaths/1M, Denmark 133 and Sweden 624. And day by day the gap between these Nordic countries will be bigger and bigger. What has Sweden gained from their strategy?

Per WHO stats, Swedish daily cases have been surging for over a month. Hitting over 6k at one point.

Meanwhile daily deaths attributed to Covid remain miniscule.

Single digits and barely into double digits.

19 new deaths in Sweden.

11 from Covid per the WHO.

The Unkle wrote:

https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/se

Per WHO stats, Swedish daily cases have been surging for over a month. Hitting over 6k at one point.

Meanwhile daily deaths attributed to Covid remain miniscule.

Single digits and barely into double digits.

I will try to explain why. Of yesterdays 96 deaths registered , 11 on the day, and 85 transported backwards as far as to November 1th, rose from 20 to 21. And in this way, there are a large lag. But it might be a bit confusing. 19 deaths reported to day, 11 attributed to this day. 8 transported backwards. Example November 6th rose by 22 from 20. November 10 th by 1 to 31. As of to day; the average deaths for the first 10 days of November is 21. But tomorrow it will rise again. Yesterday it was 20,3. The 11 of November 18th reduced by 7 to 4. And so on and so on.

A sober analysis. These days the deaths approx 40 and on the rise. The exact numbers, well, we will have a pretty good indication from now. A week ago fairly low numbers for the 9th and 10th. Now they are 33 and 31, but might still be a bit higher. A week from now you can evaluate what I am writing. And they will not know when it slows down again i.e. deaths before a week afterwards. They also have big problems with their testing capasity. According to the Swedish Health Authorities the positivity rate is 12,9. and 4611 new infections.

The whole Swedish reporting system is a mess.

The Unkle wrote:

11 from Covid per the WHO.

Yes, but still 19 reported. Both are right.

Sorry, correct myself: We will have a pretty good indication of the Swedish number of deaths on this day a week from now, but it might still rise to or three days later than that.

Harambe wrote:

browski wrote:

You are incorrect. NYC and NJ are forcing businesses (restaurants, gyms, etc.) to close at 10pm. Cuomo is prohibiting PRIVATE residences from having gatherings with more than 10 people. I tested negative in my school 2 weeks ago, but because a student in my class tested positive, I was told that I had to quarantine for 2 weeks, not leaving the house for any reason other than emergencies, to get tested or to go to a doctor. This isn't beyond the scope of a government?

Again, these isolations are not enforced. You are a free man -- but you prefer to pretend you are.

Woe is you, etc, etc, etc.

What a lame brain you are.

Businesses going under, millions of jobs lost, massive food lines, tens of millions of people to be evicted from their homes -- all because of these enforced lockdowns. AND you make such an incredibly stupid comment

Das Unkle wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Again, these isolations are not enforced. You are a free man -- but you prefer to pretend you are.

Woe is you, etc, etc, etc.

What a lame brain you are.

Businesses going under, millions of jobs lost, massive food lines, tens of millions of people to be evicted from their homes -- all because of these enforced lockdowns. AND you make such an incredibly stupid comment

By the way, Unkle, why do you have massive food lines over there? Because over here, even under lockdowns. we don't have massive food lines and people who are evicted from their homes. Weak public sector, or?

KaareV wrote:

Das Unkle wrote:

What a lame brain you are.

Businesses going under, millions of jobs lost, massive food lines, tens of millions of people to be evicted from their homes -- all because of these enforced lockdowns. AND you make such an incredibly stupid comment

By the way, Unkle, why do you have massive food lines over there? Because over here, even under lockdowns. we don't have massive food lines and people who are evicted from their homes. Weak public sector, or?

Did not say we had them here. Yet. Although food pantries are (unlike hospitals) are being overwhelmed.

Foodlines:

Evictions:

In a study based on predicted job and wage loss, the Aspen Institute Financial Security Program and the COVID-19 Eviction Defense Project projected that 19 to 23 million renters in the United States are at risk of eviction through the end of 2020, representing up to 21% of renter households. Similarly, Amherst Capital, a real estate investment firm, estimated in June that 28 million households (64 million people) are at risk of eviction.