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Harambe wrote:
Mandatory face masks in Denmark in public places:
https://www.thelocal.dk/20200709/danish-health-agency-recommends-face-masks
"The Danish Health Authority does not recommend that healthy people who move around in public generally wear face masks,"
So you admit that from February to June, there was little mask wearing in Denmark?
You admit that the small amount of mask wearing did not increase the number of deaths? -
Lead Foil Hat II wrote:
Harambe wrote:
facts and reason wrote:
LOTM677 wrote:
Economy no better than the other Nordics
Lotm posted a link that shows Denmark having fewer deaths.
Guess what? Most Denmarks don't wear masks.
"Denmark's health authority has discouraged mask wearing for healthy people going about their normal lives, questioning its effectiveness and saying it 'can cause more harm than good.'"
So you fail both with Sweden and its "Nordic" neighbor.
Denmark also had a harsh national lockdown and has already re-instated some measures with growing cases!
Not sure this is the point you want to run with. Unless you're saying extreme national lockdowns (more than USA had) are the way to go...
oopsie!!
Liar again DB. Denmark did not have harsh national lockdowns, they shut down ,many public services, recommended people work from home if they could, and generally asked people to do the best they could. They also started reopening on April 6th and opened schools up the day after Easter. They also don't wear masks that much. You also have no idea what you are talking about but are such a pathological liar that you just saying anything to sound smart thinking that sounding smart will win you the argument You lose dude, you are a liar, you are a shill, you are a death mongering narcissist. People need to stand up to people like yourself because you are destroying the world that everyone lives in for a delusional narrative that is unsupported by any data or past precedent.
Bro, bro, bro.
That's what the USA did. Public sector employees ordered home. Non-essential private employers asked to send people home. They even were fining people for congregating in public! That's a lockdown -- by your definition. They also closed restaurants (takeout only), hairdressers, bars, etc. They even shut their borders!
You can't just change the definition of "lockdown" because you don't like that Denmark did it.
Denmark has a national mask order now, so I guess you're wrong again there.
I'd pick a different country -- this isn't going well at all for you. -
facts and reason wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Mandatory face masks in Denmark in public places:
https://www.thelocal.dk/20200709/danish-health-agency-recommends-face-masks
"The Danish Health Authority does not recommend that healthy people who move around in public generally wear face masks,"
So you admit that from February to June, there was little mask wearing in Denmark?
You admit that the small amount of mask wearing did not increase the number of deaths?
Yeah from July. They've changed their tune -- come around to the side of masking.
Interesting -- if these things don't work and are oppressive, why are countries like Denmark turning toward them now?? Weird...
Maybe you're wrong?? Nah.... impossible.
Here's the article I posted again, to refresh your memory: https://cphpost.dk/?p=119700
I'm on a roll today, this is fun! -
YMMV wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
Other guy wrote:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Look at the daily deaths for the past three months in this nation of 10 million plus.
They are doing great.
That is what everyone was saying in Texas in early June. Then 15,000 people died. Deaths are a lagging (oh, never mind).
The outbreak in Sweden is very quickly catching up in severity to the rest of Europe. Last two days saw 2,400 and 2,800 new cases a day. I actually did not expect it to accelerate so quickly in Sweden as they do have good public health infrastructure. And it is still early in this outbreak compared to countries like Spain and the UK which saw their outbreaks start late in August. Without very strong measures, Sweden will be in a lot of trouble in the next few weeks. If you are looking at Sweden as an example of a COVID 19 success story, you are completely delusional at this point.
"TWO MORE WEEKS!!"
"DEATH WILL ARRIVE ON A BLACK HORSE AND THE CADAVERS PILING ONTO THE STREETS WILL BE TAKE MY BREATH AWAY OR I AM NOT ROY THE KING OF ALL THAT IS SOON TO DIE!"
COVID-19 outbreak surges in Sweden, ending any speculation of herd immunity. YMMV:
SWEDEN HAS SUPERIOR LOW COST DESIGNER FURNITURE AND DELICIOUS MEATBALLS!!!! HOW CAN ANYONE BELIEVE ALL THE SCIENCE WHEN SWEDES ARE EATING THOSE SCRUMPTIOUS MEATBALLS!!!! WHERE IS MY ALLEN WRENCH!!!! HOW CAN I PUT TOGETHER MY KALLAX WITHOUT AN ALLEN WRENCH!!! DAMN LOCKWONDS!!!! -
Harambe wrote:
Lead Foil Hat II wrote:
Harambe wrote:
facts and reason wrote:
LOTM677 wrote:
Economy no better than the other Nordics
Lotm posted a link that shows Denmark having fewer deaths.
Guess what? Most Denmarks don't wear masks.
"Denmark's health authority has discouraged mask wearing for healthy people going about their normal lives, questioning its effectiveness and saying it 'can cause more harm than good.'"
So you fail both with Sweden and its "Nordic" neighbor.
Denmark also had a harsh national lockdown and has already re-instated some measures with growing cases!
Not sure this is the point you want to run with. Unless you're saying extreme national lockdowns (more than USA had) are the way to go...
oopsie!!
Liar again DB. Denmark did not have harsh national lockdowns, they shut down ,many public services, recommended people work from home if they could, and generally asked people to do the best they could. They also started reopening on April 6th and opened schools up the day after Easter. They also don't wear masks that much. You also have no idea what you are talking about but are such a pathological liar that you just saying anything to sound smart thinking that sounding smart will win you the argument You lose dude, you are a liar, you are a shill, you are a death mongering narcissist. People need to stand up to people like yourself because you are destroying the world that everyone lives in for a delusional narrative that is unsupported by any data or past precedent.
Bro, bro, bro.
That's what the USA did. Public sector employees ordered home. Non-essential private employers asked to send people home. They even were fining people for congregating in public! That's a lockdown -- by your definition. They also closed restaurants (takeout only), hairdressers, bars, etc. They even shut their borders!
You can't just change the definition of "lockdown" because you don't like that Denmark did it.
Denmark has a national mask order now, so I guess you're wrong again there.
I'd pick a different country -- this isn't going well at all for you.
Dude, you are still lying and conflating one thing with another. There were little forced business shutdowns and schools only shut down for few weeks. Get over your false reality. You are a liar. -
Precious Roy wrote:
YMMV wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
Other guy wrote:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Look at the daily deaths for the past three months in this nation of 10 million plus.
They are doing great.
That is what everyone was saying in Texas in early June. Then 15,000 people died. Deaths are a lagging (oh, never mind).
The outbreak in Sweden is very quickly catching up in severity to the rest of Europe. Last two days saw 2,400 and 2,800 new cases a day. I actually did not expect it to accelerate so quickly in Sweden as they do have good public health infrastructure. And it is still early in this outbreak compared to countries like Spain and the UK which saw their outbreaks start late in August. Without very strong measures, Sweden will be in a lot of trouble in the next few weeks. If you are looking at Sweden as an example of a COVID 19 success story, you are completely delusional at this point.
"TWO MORE WEEKS!!"
"DEATH WILL ARRIVE ON A BLACK HORSE AND THE CADAVERS PILING ONTO THE STREETS WILL BE TAKE MY BREATH AWAY OR I AM NOT ROY THE KING OF ALL THAT IS SOON TO DIE!"
COVID-19 outbreak surges in Sweden, ending any speculation of herd immunity. YMMV:
SWEDEN HAS SUPERIOR LOW COST DESIGNER FURNITURE AND DELICIOUS MEATBALLS!!!! HOW CAN ANYONE BELIEVE ALL THE SCIENCE WHEN SWEDES ARE EATING THOSE SCRUMPTIOUS MEATBALLS!!!! WHERE IS MY ALLEN WRENCH!!!! HOW CAN I PUT TOGETHER MY KALLAX WITHOUT AN ALLEN WRENCH!!! DAMN LOCKWONDS!!!!
Again, you are a lying liar. People are not getting sick and dying. Also people in the population should test positive as herd immunity is developed....you have to have the virus in you or be exposed at some level, but less people are going to get sick. You are just a liar again, spreading death and misery because it helps you overcome your mental illness. Stop yourself, you are a psychopath and killing people. -
Harambe wrote:
Lead Foil Hat II wrote:
Harambe wrote:
facts and reason wrote:
LOTM677 wrote:
Economy no better than the other Nordics
Lotm posted a link that shows Denmark having fewer deaths.
Guess what? Most Denmarks don't wear masks.
"Denmark's health authority has discouraged mask wearing for healthy people going about their normal lives, questioning its effectiveness and saying it 'can cause more harm than good.'"
So you fail both with Sweden and its "Nordic" neighbor.
Denmark also had a harsh national lockdown and has already re-instated some measures with growing cases!
Not sure this is the point you want to run with. Unless you're saying extreme national lockdowns (more than USA had) are the way to go...
oopsie!!
Liar again DB. Denmark did not have harsh national lockdowns, they shut down ,many public services, recommended people work from home if they could, and generally asked people to do the best they could. They also started reopening on April 6th and opened schools up the day after Easter. They also don't wear masks that much. You also have no idea what you are talking about but are such a pathological liar that you just saying anything to sound smart thinking that sounding smart will win you the argument You lose dude, you are a liar, you are a shill, you are a death mongering narcissist. People need to stand up to people like yourself because you are destroying the world that everyone lives in for a delusional narrative that is unsupported by any data or past precedent.
Bro, bro, bro.
That's what the USA did. Public sector employees ordered home. Non-essential private employers asked to send people home. They even were fining people for congregating in public! That's a lockdown -- by your definition. They also closed restaurants (takeout only), hairdressers, bars, etc. They even shut their borders!
You can't just change the definition of "lockdown" because you don't like that Denmark did it.
Denmark has a national mask order now, so I guess you're wrong again there.
I'd pick a different country -- this isn't going well at all for you.
Hey DB, you claimed harsh lockdown. Yes, they had a fairly mild lockdown, that was not forced too much, and then reopened very quickly....nobody said they did nothing but it was not the hot mess Italy and France put their people through, nor the democratic run portions of the USA. You seem to be a very simple minded human being. -
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Dude, you are still lying and conflating one thing with another. There were little forced business shutdowns and schools only shut down for few weeks. Get over your false reality. You are a liar.
Ok good, you stopped arguing about masks.
And yeah -- they had a shutdown of the school system -- a hallmark of lockdowns.
Nonessential employees asked to say home -- like in the USA.
Public sector employees forced to stay home -- like in USA.
If you look up the government response stringency index, you can see Denmark tracks well with USA and Germany:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=chart&time=2020-06-11&country=DNK~USA~ITA~DEU
If you're gonna call the USA's response a "lockdown" you should concede on Denmark too.
But, you won't, you're too dogmatic. Just will change the subject and call me a psychopath. -
Precious Roy wrote:
YMMV wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
Other guy wrote:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Look at the daily deaths for the past three months in this nation of 10 million plus.
They are doing great.
That is what everyone was saying in Texas in early June. Then 15,000 people died. Deaths are a lagging (oh, never mind).
The outbreak in Sweden is very quickly catching up in severity to the rest of Europe. Last two days saw 2,400 and 2,800 new cases a day. I actually did not expect it to accelerate so quickly in Sweden as they do have good public health infrastructure. And it is still early in this outbreak compared to countries like Spain and the UK which saw their outbreaks start late in August. Without very strong measures, Sweden will be in a lot of trouble in the next few weeks. If you are looking at Sweden as an example of a COVID 19 success story, you are completely delusional at this point.
"TWO MORE WEEKS!!"
"DEATH WILL ARRIVE ON A BLACK HORSE AND THE CADAVERS PILING ONTO THE STREETS WILL BE TAKE MY BREATH AWAY OR I AM NOT ROY THE KING OF ALL THAT IS SOON TO DIE!"
COVID-19 outbreak surges in Sweden, ending any speculation of herd immunity. YMMV:
SWEDEN HAS SUPERIOR LOW COST DESIGNER FURNITURE AND DELICIOUS MEATBALLS!!!! HOW CAN ANYONE BELIEVE ALL THE SCIENCE WHEN SWEDES ARE EATING THOSE SCRUMPTIOUS MEATBALLS!!!! WHERE IS MY ALLEN WRENCH!!!! HOW CAN I PUT TOGETHER MY KALLAX WITHOUT AN ALLEN WRENCH!!! DAMN LOCKWONDS!!!!
So weak...as befitting your name and vampiric narrative.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR0QD6t4MlMVRReujf8VrRHlt-Hi1wihwOgtw&usqp=CAU -
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Hey DB, you claimed harsh lockdown. Yes, they had a fairly mild lockdown, that was not forced too much, and then reopened very quickly....nobody said they did nothing but it was not the hot mess Italy and France put their people through, nor the democratic run portions of the USA. You seem to be a very simple minded human being.
Ok cool. We agree they are now enforcing masks and had a lockdown.
They were smart to go to lockdown extremely early in time and case #. Very wise -- didn't wait until they had thousands of people running around with me.
They were on par with USA and Germany for lockdown stringency as I just posted.
What exactly are they an example of, for you? -
Harambe wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Dude, you are still lying and conflating one thing with another. There were little forced business shutdowns and schools only shut down for few weeks. Get over your false reality. You are a liar.
Ok good, you stopped arguing about masks.
And yeah -- they had a shutdown of the school system -- a hallmark of lockdowns.
Nonessential employees asked to say home -- like in the USA.
Public sector employees forced to stay home -- like in USA.
If you look up the government response stringency index, you can see Denmark tracks well with USA and Germany:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=chart&time=2020-06-11&country=DNK~USA~ITA~DEU
If you're gonna call the USA's response a "lockdown" you should concede on Denmark too.
But, you won't, you're too dogmatic. Just will change the subject and call me a psychopath.
You are still lying. Schools closing a few weeks is not the same as all year and the returning six month later in partial form. Non essential federal employees staying home is about the only similarity. Cuomo is still dictating what people can eat at restaurants for crying out loud. Our kids are either still stuck at home or only getting educated 2 days a week. I have started teaching my son on the side because the liberal schools are failing him. Denmark has not perpetuated this liberal freak show in the usa; you are a psychopathic liar and that is all. A stupid one at that, and one who has a gross lack of understanding of science. True mental illness. -
Harambe wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Dude, you are still lying and conflating one thing with another. There were little forced business shutdowns and schools only shut down for few weeks. Get over your false reality. You are a liar.
Ok good, you stopped arguing about masks.
And yeah -- they had a shutdown of the school system -- a hallmark of lockdowns.
Nonessential employees asked to say home -- like in the USA.
Public sector employees forced to stay home -- like in USA.
If you look up the government response stringency index, you can see Denmark tracks well with USA and Germany:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=chart&time=2020-06-11&country=DNK~USA~ITA~DEU
If you're gonna call the USA's response a "lockdown" you should concede on Denmark too.
But, you won't, you're too dogmatic. Just will change the subject and call me a psychopath.
Jesus, even the freaking data you posted shows Denmark had a much less stringent response than the USA, the map is showing the average that includes all of the republican states that followed more closely the behavior of Denmark and likewise saw much less death. The liberal states would be black on this map and have murdered their own citizens to satisfy the fears of psychopathic liars like yourself. You are a liar and your lies are the type that are killing people. -
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
You are still lying. Schools closing a few weeks is not the same as all year and the returning six month later in partial form. Non essential federal employees staying home is about the only similarity. Cuomo is still dictating what people can eat at restaurants for crying out loud. Our kids are either still stuck at home or only getting educated 2 days a week. I have started teaching my son on the side because the liberal schools are failing him. Denmark has not perpetuated this liberal freak show in the usa; you are a psychopathic liar and that is all. A stupid one at that, and one who has a gross lack of understanding of science. True mental illness.
Denmark got cases and deaths under control far quicker than the USA did. They were able to go back to a more normal life much faster -- for a bit. I applaud them.
If we could attain the same level of control of the virus, we could be there too.
Although they are dealing with a new wave. It's hard to stay vigilant but I am impressed with how proactive they are. Even a small rise in cases = new restrictions. Don't wait for things to get out of hand.
And I did call it, you would call me a psychopath for pointing out all the similarities. :) -
All Covid deniers/Swedish fluffers: Post your apologies here.
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1321880742108913665?s=20 -
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Jesus, even the freaking data you posted shows Denmark had a much less stringent response than the USA, the map is showing the average that includes all of the republican states that followed more closely the behavior of Denmark and likewise saw much less death. The liberal states would be black on this map and have murdered their own citizens to satisfy the fears of psychopathic liars like yourself. You are a liar and your lies are the type that are killing people.
Nah, they were on par with USA and Germany which had pretty strict responses.
Only ~9 states (including Mass.(!!)) didn't have a stay at home order.
Ya need to get ya facts straight:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6935a2.htm#F1_down -
Harambe wrote:
And I did call it, you would call me a psychopath for pointing out all the similarities. :)
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/top-scientific-journals-reject-controversial-danish-study-on-effectiveness-of-face-masks-against-coronavirus-report
"recent crop of trials added 9,112 participants to the total randomised denominator of 13,259 and showed that masks alone have no significant effect in interrupting the spread of ILI or influenza in the general population, nor in healthcare workers".
Harambe lost the debate, but he's back for more. He might be a masochist. He's a contrarian, so he'll flounder and make retorts. -
Harambe wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Hey DB, you claimed harsh lockdown. Yes, they had a fairly mild lockdown, that was not forced too much, and then reopened very quickly....nobody said they did nothing but it was not the hot mess Italy and France put their people through, nor the democratic run portions of the USA. You seem to be a very simple minded human being.
Ok cool. We agree they are now enforcing masks and had a lockdown.
They were smart to go to lockdown extremely early in time and case #. Very wise -- didn't wait until they had thousands of people running around with me.
They were on par with USA and Germany for lockdown stringency as I just posted.
What exactly are they an example of, for you?
Dude, why do you lie like this? What is wrong with you. There was only about a week where they might have been on par with Germany and the USA, who only had moderate lockdowns on average across all regions, then Denmark lifted restrictions.....why not look at the data for all nations and realize that Denmark was always on the lower end, realize that the data for the USA is an average which include the many states that did not lock down much at all. You are such a lying prick. You are really hell bent on demanding this goes on forever? Why? Are you in a hospital for delusional sczhizophrenics....do you talk to yourself all day? Where do you live that you are so afraid to go outside in the world and are demanding everyone be afraid or they will kill grandma? Stop yourself. You are a liar. -
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
YMMV wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
Other guy wrote:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Look at the daily deaths for the past three months in this nation of 10 million plus.
They are doing great.
That is what everyone was saying in Texas in early June. Then 15,000 people died. Deaths are a lagging (oh, never mind).
The outbreak in Sweden is very quickly catching up in severity to the rest of Europe. Last two days saw 2,400 and 2,800 new cases a day. I actually did not expect it to accelerate so quickly in Sweden as they do have good public health infrastructure. And it is still early in this outbreak compared to countries like Spain and the UK which saw their outbreaks start late in August. Without very strong measures, Sweden will be in a lot of trouble in the next few weeks. If you are looking at Sweden as an example of a COVID 19 success story, you are completely delusional at this point.
"TWO MORE WEEKS!!"
"DEATH WILL ARRIVE ON A BLACK HORSE AND THE CADAVERS PILING ONTO THE STREETS WILL BE TAKE MY BREATH AWAY OR I AM NOT ROY THE KING OF ALL THAT IS SOON TO DIE!"
COVID-19 outbreak surges in Sweden, ending any speculation of herd immunity. YMMV:
SWEDEN HAS SUPERIOR LOW COST DESIGNER FURNITURE AND DELICIOUS MEATBALLS!!!! HOW CAN ANYONE BELIEVE ALL THE SCIENCE WHEN SWEDES ARE EATING THOSE SCRUMPTIOUS MEATBALLS!!!! WHERE IS MY ALLEN WRENCH!!!! HOW CAN I PUT TOGETHER MY KALLAX WITHOUT AN ALLEN WRENCH!!! DAMN LOCKWONDS!!!!
Again, you are a lying liar. People are not getting sick and dying. Also people in the population should test positive as herd immunity is developed....you have to have the virus in you or be exposed at some level, but less people are going to get sick. You are just a liar again, spreading death and misery because it helps you overcome your mental illness. Stop yourself, you are a psychopath and killing people.
So, the 80% rise in new cases is actually people from March and April who are just getting around to taking a test? And the 60% rise in hospitalizations are all from people exposed in the spring but are just now getting around to getting medical attention? Or could it be that there is no herd immunity in Sweden and they are having the outbreak that every expert predicted would occur in the Fall?
Even Tegnell admits that there is no herd immunity and calls any policy seeking herd immunity "futile and immoral". I guess you should get on a plane to Stockholm so you can call him a murderer and a psychopath for calling for tighter restriction in Sweden to stop the current outbreak.
https://news.yahoo.com/sweden-posts-daily-covid-19-132308401.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-herd-immunity-sweden-covid-cases-anders-tegnell-b1421541.html -
Harambe wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Denmark got cases and deaths under control far quicker than the USA did. They were able to go back to a more normal life much faster -- for a bit. I applaud them.
If we could attain the same level of control of the virus, we could be there too.
Although they are dealing with a new wave. It's hard to stay vigilant but I am impressed with how proactive they are. Even a small rise in cases = new restrictions. Don't wait for things to get out of hand.
And I did call it, you would call me a psychopath for pointing out all the similarities. :)
You are still lying. Schools closing a few weeks is not the same as all year and the returning six month later in partial form. Non essential federal employees staying home is about the only similarity. Cuomo is still dictating what people can eat at restaurants for crying out loud. Our kids are either still stuck at home or only getting educated 2 days a week. I have started teaching my son on the side because the liberal schools are failing him. Denmark has not perpetuated this liberal freak show in the usa; you are a psychopathic liar and that is all. A stupid one at that, and one who has a gross lack of understanding of science. True mental illness.
What restrictions? They have been considering changing some small things and requiring mask in places. You have no idea what you spew. You just let your own reality fly out of your mouth in hopes that it murders your countrymen. Stop yourself, you are sick and distorting reality. You are a false reality. And no, you are a psychopath because you believe your own lies and demand whole nations conform so you can feel safe. Sorry, you are just a selfish liar. You live in a delusion and think the country needs to ruin itself to help perpetuate your false reality. Stop yourself.
