You all believe in private property, right? And that means I can run my store as I see fit (so long as I don't break the law).
If you don't like my shirt/shoes/mask policy, you of course may patronize another store. And I will pay a price by losing your custom.
My store, my rules! wrote:
You all believe in private property, right? And that means I can run my store as I see fit (so long as I don't break the law).
If you don't like my shirt/shoes/mask policy, you of course may patronize another store. And I will pay a price by losing your custom.
I don't think many people would argue with that concept. Your store, your rules.
What they don't like is the government mandating it in all public areas. I personally am fine with it for stores, but find it ludicrous to mandate masks in outdoor areas.
My store, my rules! wrote:
You all believe in private property, right? And that means I can run my store as I see fit (so long as I don't break the law).
If you don't like my shirt/shoes/mask policy, you of course may patronize another store. And I will pay a price by losing your custom.
That's fine, if as a private business, you want to implement this rules to shop in your store. Myself and many others would not patronize your business, and I'm sure there are others that will say they are more likely to.
However, it is NOT fine for a city, county, state to try to mandate that everyone wear a mask wherever they go. Completely different.
What about buses?
My store, my rules! wrote:
You all believe in private property, right? And that means I can run my store as I see fit (so long as I don't break the law).
If you don't like my shirt/shoes/mask policy, you of course may patronize another store. And I will pay a price by losing your custom.
By the way, I'm sitting at a local small business auto repair shop to get my car's oil changed. Even though this county has a mask mandate, the owner chose not to follow the mandate.
The employees , nor the customers wear masks. Not a single employee has tested positive for COVID and not cases traced back to the business.
By the way, I **** my cousin but we haven't had disfigured kids yet :)
Ignore main stream media wrote:
By the way, I'm sitting at a local small business auto repair shop to get my car's oil changed. Even though this county has a mask mandate, the owner chose not to follow the mandate.
The employees , nor the customers wear masks. Not a single employee has tested positive for COVID and not cases traced back to the business.
2600 bro wrote:
By the way, I **** my cousin but we haven't had disfigured kids yet :)
Ignore main stream media wrote:
By the way, I'm sitting at a local small business auto repair shop to get my car's oil changed. Even though this county has a mask mandate, the owner chose not to follow the mandate.
The employees , nor the customers wear masks. Not a single employee has tested positive for COVID and not cases traced back to the business.
Seriously, that's your response? That just proves your level of class and ignorance. Adding nothing of value to this thread.
I sometimes drive drunk, but I haven't run over any pedestrians yet.
2600 bro wrote:
By the way, I **** my cousin but we haven't had disfigured kids yet :)
Ignore main stream media wrote:
By the way, I'm sitting at a local small business auto repair shop to get my car's oil changed. Even though this county has a mask mandate, the owner chose not to follow the mandate.
The employees , nor the customers wear masks. Not a single employee has tested positive for COVID and not cases traced back to the business.
coach wrote:
What about buses?
If it's a government run bus system then I say no. I'm not saying you have to agree with me, but that's my opinion based on no actual evidence that masks prevent the spread AND cases are rising in areas with mask mandates. It's about control, even the governor of PA (or maybe it was NJ - I don't recall which state) was caught on a hot mic stating he would come to the podium with his mask on and then take it off - for political theater.
Ignore main stream media wrote:
My store, my rules! wrote:
You all believe in private property, right? And that means I can run my store as I see fit (so long as I don't break the law).
If you don't like my shirt/shoes/mask policy, you of course may patronize another store. And I will pay a price by losing your custom.
That's fine, if as a private business, you want to implement this rules to shop in your store. Myself and many others would not patronize your business, and I'm sure there are others that will say they are more likely to.
However, it is NOT fine for a city, county, state to try to mandate that everyone wear a mask wherever they go. Completely different.
But basically the city, county, state is also forcing you to wear clothes. Why are you following that?
You can deny service for not wearing a mask.
Can you deny baking a wedding cake for a gay couple because it’s against your religious beliefs?
I don’t have a problem with either, but I don’t like the media hypocrisy.
If you don't think he added anything of value, then you are willfully ignorant or his point went way over your head. He is clearly making the point that your anecdotal story about an auto mechanic is exactly that - an anecdotal story that should not serve as a basis for decision making.
Ignore main stream media wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
By the way, I **** my cousin but we haven't had disfigured kids yet :)
Seriously, that's your response? That just proves your level of class and ignorance. Adding nothing of value to this thread.
But basically the city, county, state is also forcing you to wear clothes. Why are you following that?
The government really doesn't force you to wear clothes beyond genital coverage. And even that differs by state. In a lot of states, merely being naked (not doing any sexually lewd behavior) is totally legal.
Ignore main stream media wrote:
My store, my rules! wrote:
You all believe in private property, right? And that means I can run my store as I see fit (so long as I don't break the law).
If you don't like my shirt/shoes/mask policy, you of course may patronize another store. And I will pay a price by losing your custom.
That's fine, if as a private business, you want to implement this rules to shop in your store. Myself and many others would not patronize your business, and I'm sure there are others that will say they are more likely to.
However, it is NOT fine for a city, county, state to try to mandate that everyone wear a mask wherever they go. Completely different.
The government mandates people wear seat belts when they are in their own private vehicle. There are some municipalities that have no smoking ordinances, even in public places. There are carpool lanes with fines for those that violate the rules about the number of passengers in the vehicle. What's the difference?
Yep...it'll be like this forever - just add "no masks" to the "no shoes," "no shirt," "no service" signs: ?
questions, questions wrote:
Ignore main stream media wrote:
That's fine, if as a private business, you want to implement this rules to shop in your store. Myself and many others would not patronize your business, and I'm sure there are others that will say they are more likely to.
However, it is NOT fine for a city, county, state to try to mandate that everyone wear a mask wherever they go. Completely different.
The government mandates people wear seat belts when they are in their own private vehicle. There are some municipalities that have no smoking ordinances, even in public places. There are carpool lanes with fines for those that violate the rules about the number of passengers in the vehicle. What's the difference?
There is no difference, of course. It is idiots (whether they know it or not) blindly following other idiots and the Head Idiot. It's that simple.
Reminder, smarty-pants idiots: NO ONE is out of a job because of mask wearing. And the same science that you benefit from every day says that tens of thousands of Americans are dead because not enough were. You should be so proud of your proudness.
IdiotNation wrote:
questions, questions wrote:
The government mandates people wear seat belts when they are in their own private vehicle. There are some municipalities that have no smoking ordinances, even in public places. There are carpool lanes with fines for those that violate the rules about the number of passengers in the vehicle. What's the difference?
There is no difference, of course. It is idiots (whether they know it or not) blindly following other idiots and the Head Idiot. It's that simple.
Reminder, smarty-pants idiots: NO ONE is out of a job because of mask wearing. And the same science that you benefit from every day says that tens of thousands of Americans are dead because not enough were. You should be so proud of your proudness.
Following up, mask wearing mandates are like all other restrictions on individual freedoms when a greater public good is at stake. Take littering laws as an example. If you are in a national park (government property) you cannot just throw your trash wherever you want. Most people are willing to accept this restriction on their rights as an individual because they recognize that there are positive externalities that accrue, and benefit the majority of users.
The same principle applies to mask wearing in public places. And the truth is that there is a lot more evidence the mask wearing slows the spread of covid than there is that mask wearing is harmful to people's health.
The same principle applies to mask wearing in public places. And the truth is that there is a lot more evidence the mask wearing slows the spread of covid than there is that mask wearing is harmful to people's health.
Viral illness has existed since the dawn of time. Now, today, suddenly, masks are a moral imperative.
When will that need be gone? What threshold will have to be met where you would say masks are now an unreasonable precaution? Because there will always, always be viruses.
huh what wrote:
The same principle applies to mask wearing in public places. And the truth is that there is a lot more evidence the mask wearing slows the spread of covid than there is that mask wearing is harmful to people's health.
Viral illness has existed since the dawn of time. Now, today, suddenly, masks are a moral imperative.
When will that need be gone? What threshold will have to be met where you would say masks are now an unreasonable precaution? Because there will always, always be viruses.
There have been viruses in the past and people also wore masks with penalties for violators.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/us/mask-protests-1918.html#:~:text=As%20the%20influenza%20pandemic%20swept,in%20political%20and%20cultural%20wars.&text=The%20masks%20were%20called%20muzzles,them%20to%20dogs%20in%20mockery.
This is a legitimate question, and it applies to almost all regulation. Take speed limits as an example. We know that a 10mph speed limit would save more lives than a 55mph speed limit, but we accept a certain amount of deaths in exchange for the convenience of getting to our destination faster. We have to stop with the "one death is too much" attitude, because that's simply not how life works. Moving specifically to the question of masks, I do not know what the "right" amount of regulation is. I don't think we have enough information to say for certain. However, in situations where we don't have enough information, I think it is wise to err on the side of caution, as erring in the other direction carries substantially more risk. I also think it is fair to say that masks are not an "unreasonable precaution" when there are legitimate concerns about hospitals' ability to deal with the number of severe COVID cases they're seeing. It's easy to say that masks are "infringing on mah rights," but that argument doesn't go far when there are people who need ventilators and can't get one. My final point is a simple one: wearing a mask is easy, and refusing to wear one makes you seem pretty wimpy. No one is forcing you to bow to a king, work in a labor camp, or fight an unjust war. They're asking you to wear a face covering when in close proximity to others. Toughen the F up.
huh what wrote:
The same principle applies to mask wearing in public places. And the truth is that there is a lot more evidence the mask wearing slows the spread of covid than there is that mask wearing is harmful to people's health.
Viral illness has existed since the dawn of time. Now, today, suddenly, masks are a moral imperative.
When will that need be gone? What threshold will have to be met where you would say masks are now an unreasonable precaution? Because there will always, always be viruses.