Hasay Deadlifts 210lbs for a New PR

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Strong AF for someone her size.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CF--fvPnGpx/

Is 2x body weight really considered strong AF? I thought that was basically the standard. Of course I can't imagine that she should ever be doing max lifts. The benefits just aren't there versus doing 95% and calling it a day...

adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Strong AF for someone her size.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CF--fvPnGpx/

Is 2x body weight really considered strong AF? I thought that was basically the standard. Of course I can't imagine that she should ever be doing max lifts. The benefits just aren't there versus doing 95% and calling it a day...

I would say 2x bw is the start point for saying you are decently strong. Lots of dudes can't pull 2x.

I am not a fan of conventional DLs for runners or such a slow grinding rep....but if she can do it and not have a sore as hell back the next day then more power to her.

She looks happy.

Hips shooting up first and took her forever to finish (close to hitching I think) but it was a 1RM so those things happen...a green light is a green light.

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

Hips shooting up first and took her forever to finish (close to hitching I think) but it was a 1RM so those things happen...a green light is a green light.

Alan

Okay, I don't have sound so don't know what commentary there may have been.

In any case: Would you have judged that a good lift?

Kudos to her, she's a strong distance runner and I wish her well, though I think she's been very badly served by being converted to a "marathon specialist"--not every American runner whose best distance is above the 1500 (or SC) should automatically default to the marathon.

Even if she's 5'4"--I have doubts--I'd be surprised if she weighs 105. Which means she actually pulled *more than* twice her bodyweight.

And yeah, my back started to hurt when I was just watching her do the lift, so maybe that's why I'm a little critical of it. Ow.

Good for her!

A 5-6 week max strength phase is a key part of lifting for sprinters. Then they transition to power and speed lifting.

No reason that kind of strength periodiZation can’t work for distance runners.

Lifting like this makes sense for a runner like her. Her weakness is probably short stuff and building a couple lbs of mass probably promotes bone density and muscle which helps reduce injury when the training miles ramp up.

I thought the standard for men is 2X but for women it was 1.5X body weight.

For a female distance runner it is excellent, especially given a distance runner's body type.

Runningart2004 wrote:

I would say 2x bw is the start point for saying you are decently strong. Lots of dudes can't pull 2x.

No disagreement with what you say here, but I feel like this simplification provides a little clarity:

Lots of dudes that don't deadlift can't pull 2x.

Dudes that do deadlift can pull 2x.

Dudes that do deadlift are decently strong.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Strong AF for someone her size.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CF--fvPnGpx/

When I was 12 years old (weighing barely over 100 pounds) we put all the weights we had on an old school home gym set with plastic collars. I hauled that 230 lbs up for one rep out of sheer determination. I hadn't really trained specifically or worked up to it and my back hurt for a day or two. Those bars are lower to the ground, what we would now call a deficit deadlift.

I used to bring 3 -4 kids home for lunch at age 10-11, and we would have full olympic lifting (clean and jerk) competitions in the basement while my mom was upstairs making sandwiches. We had kids collapsing under 75lbs or more. No one knew what they were doing and we each improvised our form. Some did a push press, but one kid could drop under it pretty well.

Amazing that no one got seriously injured. Good times.

It actually didn't look like a max effort to me.

Elite distance runners sure are lean. Nice to see her excitement.

Runningart2004 wrote:

adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:

Is 2x body weight really considered strong AF? I thought that was basically the standard. Of course I can't imagine that she should ever be doing max lifts. The benefits just aren't there versus doing 95% and calling it a day...

I would say 2x bw is the start point for saying you are decently strong. Lots of dudes can't pull 2x.

I am not a fan of conventional DLs for runners or such a slow grinding rep....but if she can do it and not have a sore as hell back the next day then more power to her.

She looks happy.

Hips shooting up first and took her forever to finish (close to hitching I think) but it was a 1RM so those things happen...a green light is a green light.

Alan

I use a hex-bar (trap-bar) and believe it offers very similar benefits to a barbell for deadlifting but with lower risk of injury.

asdfdsf wrote:

[quote]Runningart2004 wrote:

[quote]adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:

[quote]bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

I use a hex-bar (trap-bar) and believe it offers very similar benefits to a barbell for deadlifting but with lower risk of injury.

You would be correct

Mounty Pylon wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

I would say 2x bw is the start point for saying you are decently strong. Lots of dudes can't pull 2x.

No disagreement with what you say here, but I feel like this simplification provides a little clarity:

Lots of dudes that don't deadlift can't pull 2x.

Dudes that do deadlift can pull 2x.

Dudes that do deadlift are decently strong.

Yeah I sort of assume she has been lifting for years and has a decent basis of strength. It is sort of an interesting question about how much she (or any distance runner) should be going for more strength versus saying she is at a more than adequate spot (i.e. your in the 2x BW range) and doing more of maintenance work.

briswiss wrote:

asdfdsf wrote:

[quote]Runningart2004 wrote:

[quote]adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:

[quote]bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

I use a hex-bar (trap-bar) and believe it offers very similar benefits to a barbell for deadlifting but with lower risk of injury.

You would be correct

Interesting take!! Do you have any evidence to support that?

I use a hex-bar (trap-bar) and believe it offers very similar benefits to a barbell for deadlifting but with lower risk of injury.

You would be correct[/quote]

Interesting take!! Do you have any evidence to support that?[/quote]

Not sure if you’re serious or not but here’s an article:

I don’t think this is a very controversial take lol.

Muscle is heavier than fat. She could easily weigh 105 lbs given that she probably has like 2% bodyfat.

briswiss wrote:

I use a hex-bar (trap-bar) and believe it offers very similar benefits to a barbell for deadlifting but with lower risk of injury.

You would be correct

Interesting take!! Do you have any evidence to support that?[/quote]

Not sure if you’re serious or not but here’s an article:

I don’t think this is a very controversial take lol.[/quote]

Yeah, but "authorities" like Rippetoe like old fashioned regular dead lifts and he feels trap bar deadlifting increases the risk of injuries.

formerly present wrote:

Kudos to her, she's a strong distance runner and I wish her well, though I think she's been very badly served by being converted to a "marathon specialist"--not every American runner whose best distance is above the 1500 (or SC) should automatically default to the marathon.

You must be kidding. Hasay wouldn't have a pro career now if she hadn't moved to the marathon. They initially tried running her in 5k's on the Diamond League circuit. She wasn't competitive. Can't make a living running track 10k's as so few are run, so only way to jump was up to the marathon. Luckily, for Hasay had a talent for the distance.

Umm almost no American is competitive in the 5k on the Diamond League...

Les wrote:

formerly present wrote:

Kudos to her, she's a strong distance runner and I wish her well, though I think she's been very badly served by being converted to a "marathon specialist"--not every American runner whose best distance is above the 1500 (or SC) should automatically default to the marathon.

You must be kidding. Hasay wouldn't have a pro career now if she hadn't moved to the marathon. They initially tried running her in 5k's on the Diamond League circuit. She wasn't competitive. Can't make a living running track 10k's as so few are run, so only way to jump was up to the marathon. Luckily, for Hasay had a talent for the distance.