Explain Tinman to me.

nobody outside of letsrun knows about any running teams outside of Bowerman and New Balance.

You don't explain the Tinman life, the Tinman life explains you. If you have to ask then you're not Tinman.

It turns out he really didn't need a heart after all because he was always kind and tender.

CV intervals = long and roughly 10k pace

Tinman tempo - 5k + 40-60 secs

LR - EZ with tempo towards the end.

you’re welcome.

I can't stand Tinman. Tinman is a radical leftist who believes in taking the easy way out- i.e. high mileage and "moderate, consistent" (CV) workouts.

The indisputable fact of the matter is that CV pace is extremely dangerous and inefficient. The vast majority of runners why try Tinman "training" end up injured and never reach their potential. Just look at Drew Hunter who has been injured for 3 of the last 4 years. No athlete in Tinman Elite will EVER win any olympic gold medal.

Tinman refuses to accept the scientific truth that long, hard intervals on the track are the only way to maximize long distance performance. Furthermore, I can't stand how he shoves his world view down my throat. Tinman Elite could also be a little more humble in my opinion. Stick to running and keep politics off my strava feed!

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all of the above

High mileage and easy way out aren’t similar things

Ask Mark Nenow if any of that crap he did was easy

Tinman gained a name in the early 2000s (around 2004) on Letsrun by posting about running training and demonstrating a deep understanding of distance running and physiology. He then stopped posting on Letsrun and had his own website and forum until around 2014. During all this time he gained a clientele of athletes and coaches for his private coaching service. Around the year 2013, he got his first mega-talent athlete under his coaching service in Drew Hunter. Drew Hunter became one of the best high school runners of all time in America under Tinman's guidance. Due to already being somewhat well known on the running internet, Tinman's noteriety grew even more after Drew Hunter's high school career. His fame continued to grow as Drew Hunter elected to skip college after already signing with the University of Oregon, the most prestigous distance running college program, and instead continue to train under Tinman. Drew moved to Boulder, CO and soon after moving started an elite distance running group called Tinman Elite with Tinman as the coach. As a group, they've grown their roster and have some of America's best young distance runners, as well as some that would quailfy as sub-elite. Tinman Elite is prominent on social media, and between that and Tinman's uniquely public and well defined training philosophy that uses polarizing terms like "Critical Velocity", Tinman gets talked about a lot on Letsrun.

Tinman wasn't very nice to me personally but that's just my experience. As far as his training philosophy goes, I have no problem with it. Tinman tempos are steady-state runs. CV intervals are akin to cruise intervals (LT pace work) and he does touch on V02 max pace as the goal race gets closer.

parkerjohn wrote:

Tinman wasn't very nice to me personally but that's just my experience. As far as his training philosophy goes, I have no problem with it. Tinman tempos are steady-state runs. CV intervals are akin to cruise intervals (LT pace work) and he does touch on V02 max pace as the goal race gets closer.

Well you do quote Lydiard's stupidest ideas as if they are gospel.

Tinman could explain it to you if you would let him.

I think parkerjohn could teach you something Nubbins

parkerjohn wrote:

Tinman wasn't very nice to me personally but that's just my experience. As far as his training philosophy goes, I have no problem with it. Tinman tempos are steady-state runs. CV intervals are akin to cruise intervals (LT pace work) and he does touch on V02 max pace as the goal race gets closer.

Tinman was very nice to me. Before he blew up, he spent hours on the phone with me and wrote workouts for athletes of mine for free, including a couple who were national class. A little 'different' as a person, but exceedingly generous with his time and personally, I think his training is golden.

Dr. Pepper wrote:

I think parkerjohn could teach you something Nubbins

I've read enough of his posts to know he could do no such thing.

I just can't stand Tinman. Anyone else?

Tinman was flirting with Drew Hunter's mom at the track and lucked into a coaching gig with her son. Drew Hunter is one of the most talented runners in American history and had a successful high school career. His pro career, however, has been dismal and plagued with injuries.

Tinman training is over-rated and is just recycled from other coaches. Tinman has the appearance of improving athletes, but their improvements come more from age and maturity rather than elite coaching.

For example, he is coaching a boy who broke the age group world record in the 5k as an 11 year old before meeting tinman. That boy has now run 14:23 in the 5k as a junior in high school. Is tinman coaching really to credit for his times, or maybe just the fact that he's EXTREMELY talented?

Tinman's pro team is a joke. The are constantly injured and produce bad results.

You sound bitter and jealous.

Agreed. Tinman is the worst. Tinman Elite needs to be a little more humble and keep politics out of it.

Never met Tinman and I don’t disagree that they shouldn’t promote their political views, but, the training seems pretty solid, especially for high school/neophyte runners who tend to run everything too hard. I like his easier approach and not taking yourself “to the well” in workouts. Consistent improvement in distance running is consistent improvement in aerobic conditioning over many years. Refusal to adhere to that concept will result in short term success but long term injury/burn out/stagnation.

The only issue I might have with Tinman as has been promoted on here by some of his protégés is the lack of a rest day (or a run in the pool/cross train day), which I think allows the tendons & bones time to recover. I also don’t think every athlete is made for a seven day cycle. Some would do better w a ten day or two-week cycle, where the long run isn’t done weekly.

Needs a heart and some 3 in 1 oil.

Actually, I think their training is pretty solid for most people. I use his ideas quite a bit with my teams. I remember back in the day having some pretty good conversations with him on this site. Don't think he posts here anymore, though.