COVID think-tank Harvard, Stanford, Oxford profs being censored!

appIeswan wrote:

Harambe wrote:

had all these arguments in March and April and drove the morons off the board....

Obviously not. You, Roy and Armstrong are still here fear mongering.

Wish you would all fvck off and stop your murderous mission.

Dude, they are all the same narcissistic idiot. Just ignore.

I guess my point about asymmetric risks went over your head - or it's easier to just ignore and continue repeating yourself? You tell me. That being said, I will try again: Luckily falling while climbing isn't usually contagious. It's not a multiplicative risk. Why are you ignoring the fact that young people can/do spread it to vulnerable populations? Obviously if the IFR was 0.1% for all people we would be much less worried, but there are large segments of the population where the IFR is ~1-5% and if mitigating spread among the low risk prevents spread in the high risk... then we encourage that. My life hasn't changed all that much with COVID-19 aside from my social circle being much smaller - I am not scared of catching it, but understand that since I come into contact with age 50+ it's better if I reduce my risks. Idk bro, this isn't THAT hard to understand.

baby pangolin wrote:

Ok, bravo you know the easiest route up the Diamond. Lame analogy about climbing. Climbing is an inherently dangerous sport hence the obit section in major Climbing publications. Everyone knows that.

Again, COVID is no worse than the 2018 flu. Again, again, again.... If you contract COVID and do nothing you have a 99.99% chance of survival. If you fall soloing you have a 100% chance of death. If you take a big whipper lead climbing you have a much , much, much greater chance of death vs, contracting COVID.

Are you a woman 2600? I just can't imagine any real man being so estrogen stoked fear? In fact, my guess is that Precious, Armstrong and Harambe are all chicks. Or they are men that drank extremely hot tea out of estrogen decomposing Nalgene bottles for 30 years.

Harambe has been around for a long time on these board. I love that a big, dead, gorilla gets people so worked up. Might be time for some introspection :)

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

This is exactly what the Nordic nations did that succeeded....you know, the ones you falsely bragged had lockdowns when they never really even had nation wide lockdowns...it was common sense recommendations, stay at home suggestions, and targeted measures to protect the elderly that succeeded. Are you really this dishone st? I swear, you are just here to lie and spread false facts and sound smart doing it..... but you look like an idiot Precious....who pays you to be this stupid and arrogant via so many pen names? In 2020, it is people like yourself that are destroying society, a destruction that has led to a lot of excess death. Sick, it is sick.

Your tone has just gotten more and more aggressive in the weeks since you started posting, dude.

So suddenly you are in favor of stay at home orders? Norway and Denmark both had very strict lockdowns. Furthermore, they both declared them BEFORE their first death! The earlier you can get things under control the better!

Sweden, well, we see their attempts to "protect the vulnerable" resulted in a lot of deaths!

Sounds like we have ended up agreeing: good common sense measures directed at the whole population are important for controlling the spread of the virus. They can be especially effect when they are proactive -- before the virus is widespread. Cheers

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

appIeswan wrote:

Obviously not. You, Roy and Armstrong are still here fear mongering.

Wish you would all fvck off and stop your murderous mission.

Dude, they are all the same narcissistic idiot. Just ignore.

I'm just a gorilla. And you should take your own advice -- you've probably replied to 100+ of my posts....

Because the IFR is 0.14% according to the WHO . Try again 2600 minus a zero and your hitting your IQ.

Darwin 12 wrote:

Because the IFR is 0.14% according to the WHO . Try again 2600 minus a zero and your hitting your IQ.

Just joking. ..

The math is pretty straightforward. If you let 10x as many people get COVID, you will get ten times as many deaths, which gets you 2.2 million from the current 220,000. You can't hide Grandma when it's all over the place, her care providers, delivery people, relatives, etc. And you're the same people saying no one should wear masks.

Harambe wrote:

Life sucks, get covid wrote:

If you can't isolate and separate a segment of the population, what makes you think you can do it for the entire population?

The point is that if everyone takes care to avoid needless infections by doing relatively simple things like masking, interacting outside, getting tested and isolating, etc, then we keep overall case load in the population low and avoid deaths.

This is different than allowing a large segment of the population to stop caring, get highly infected, and then pretend that we can somehow 'isolate' the entire vulnerable population from this big surge in cases. We have already been trying to do the latter, and failing!

What makes you think we can suddenly isolate the vulnerable under a higher case load?

You're trying to present a meaningless false dichotomy.

This guy, are you still on here pretending, catering to your persona?

Listen, “cases” are meaningless. There is no test. And since people stopped dying of flu and pneumonia they switched their metrics from death count to “case” count. Why you are too dense to recognize this is completely understandable. Have you ever heard of demographic cycles? What happens when birth rate slows and death rate slows and life expectancy goes up?

zxcvxzcv wrote:

The math is pretty straightforward. If you let 10x as many people get COVID, you will get ten times as many deaths, which gets you 2.2 million from the current 220,000. You can't hide Grandma when it's all over the place, her care providers, delivery people, relatives, etc. And you're the same people saying no one should wear masks.

It is actually worse than that. COVID ICU outcomes are highly dependent on the quality of care. When health systems get stretched, quality of care declines rapidly and COVID death rates climb. Acute COVID cases are violent rollercoasters. Patients can go from being stable and responsive to having multiple organ failures within a matter of hours and without warning. And hospitals have to cannibalize their surgical theaters and recovery rooms in order to expand COVID ICU space. That causes people with elective procedures to have to wait and can even back up cancer surgeries.

And it is funny how Great Barrington proponents are now claiming to be a champion of the working class. 93.5% of elderly Americans live in the community. Only 4.5% live in nursing homes and 2% in assisted living. For most working class Americans, elderly parents have to live with their adult children and cannot be separated from the rest of the family. That is a luxury that only more affluent Americans can afford.

The COVID deniers said it was just a mild upper respiratory infection. Turns out it is a very dangerous vascular virus that can cause damage to almost every vital organ in the body.

The COVID deniers said that Sweden had herd immunity and we should have done what they did. Turns out that Sweden was never close to herd immunity and is now facing a major new outbreak and implementing new restrictions.

The COVID deniers said that COVID was seasonal and would disappear over the summer. Turns out that COVID is not dependent on colder weather for transmission.

The COVID deniers said that it was safe to reopen the economy in the spring because all we needed to do was "flatten the curve". Then, 100k people died and hundreds of thousands got sick.

Then the COVID deniers said that Hydroxy cured COVID. Then, study after study showed that Hydroxy had no impact on COVID infection.

Then the COVID deniers said that we could open the economy again after the summer surge ravaged the southern states because there is existing T-cell immunity to the common cold version of COVID that provides protection from the virus. Then, the fall surge in cases came.

Then the COVID deniers said that only the elderly who are on the verge of death suffer with COVID. Then, it turns out that COVID causes long term illness, including cognitive dysfunction, myocarditis, and a host of other "long hauler" issues.

And so on. At every step of the way, the COVID deniers have been wrong and people have died because of them. We stand on the precipice of a catastrophic fall and winter. The choice now is very simple. Listen to the scientists and take strong action that will save hundreds of thousands of lives or let the COVID deniers continue to let the virus devastate our country while countries like S. Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam and China laugh at how the wealthiest and most technologically advanced country in the world is brought to its knees by a novel coronavirus.

Ok, boomer.

Google "PCR" and get back to me.

Seriously, this has been around since the 1980s. A nobel prize was given for it. It transformed biology research. It's an amazing tool and I think you'll understand why when you do a few min of research.

Good summary -- thanks