How long until Kejeta tests positive?

sham world 2020 wrote:

How long before Kejeta tests positive?

Take a look for yourself under the “progression” tab. It’s embarrassing.

https://worldathletics.org/athletes/germany/melat-yisak-kejeta-14466358

2020 1:05:18 Gdynia (POL) 17 OCT 2020

2019 1:09:29 Zwolle (NED) 15 JUN 2019

2018 1:08:41 Venlo (NED) 25 MAR 2018

2017 1:11:00 Berlin (GER) 02 APR 2017

2015 1:15:18 Ottendorf (GER) 20 SEP 2015

2014 1:15:06 Mannheim (GER) 31 MAY 2014

2012 1:10:27 Ivry-sur-Seine (FRA) 08 APR 2012

2011 1:10:43 Rabat (MAR) 03 APR 2011

Actually she ran 70 minutes as far back as 2011 almost 10 years ago. What I find a little bit strange though, it’s her track times for example over 5000 m. She is basically a 16 minute 5000 m runner on the track outdoors and running just as fast or faster for a half marathon now. Several possibilities are that she was not doing the rights of the training for years or that she has received majestic coaching from someone like Alberto Salazar which actually is not the case but the German equivalent to Alberto because whoever that is.

Also in her favor is that she has magnificent form, great bio mechanics and a quasi perfect physique for distance running.

I doubt that she will get caught. How many elite german athletes have been caught recently? Obviously her progression is "interesting", but if you make a new thread for every athlete with a progression like that (for example Houlihan, Schweizer, Kincaid, Lomong, Weightman, Debues-Stafford, McColgan, Cranny, Purrier, Salpeter), you will have a lot of work.

The same was true for Salpeter. She clearly is a road runner and doesn't really bother about track competitions. Just look up the women's 10k road all-time list and you will see that pretty much all of the top women have/had much better PB's on the road.

Yes wrote:

I doubt that she will get caught. How many elite german athletes have been caught recently? Obviously her progression is "interesting", but if you make a new thread for every athlete with a progression like that (for example Houlihan, Schweizer, Kincaid, Lomong, Weightman, Debues-Stafford, McColgan, Cranny, Purrier, Salpeter), you will have a lot of work.

Most of these I agree with but Cranny ran 4:10 in the 1500 in high school, I don't think there was ever any doubt he was a big talent.

I mean you can go to Melat's instagram and she trains in both Switzerland and Germany like many other European elite athletes. She most likely gets tested very frequently. She most definitely isn't a plastic European (like Yasemin Can who lives and trains in Kenya). Part of her suspicion is her insane progression but I have a feeling that you are a bit xenophobic and have ill feelings towards a Ethiopian turned German. You can't use the excuse of Ethiopian's testing frequency (or lack there of). She seems to have been disappointed with her performances at RAK half and Frankfurt marathon as she talked a much bigger game before those events so she very well could've finally displayed form today.

Melatisclean wrote:

I mean you can go to Melat's instagram and she trains in both Switzerland and Germany like many other European elite athletes. She most likely gets tested very frequently. She most definitely isn't a plastic European (like Yasemin Can who lives and trains in Kenya). Part of her suspicion is her insane progression but I have a feeling that you are a bit xenophobic and have ill feelings towards a Ethiopian turned German. You can't use the excuse of Ethiopian's testing frequency (or lack there of). She seems to have been disappointed with her performances at RAK half and Frankfurt marathon as she talked a much bigger game before those events so she very well could've finally displayed form today.

Xenophobe? I’m a naturalised American. The very last thing that I’d consider would be someone’s nationality as part of any equation. Your “feeling” was just your poor diet.

Ghost1 wrote:

Several possibilities are that she was not doing the rights of the training for years or that she has received majestic coaching from someone like Alberto Salazar which actually is not the case but the German equivalent to Alberto because whoever that is.

Wow. Are you seriously referring to the banned drug cheat coach of a banned drug cheat to imply that she might be clean?

You very well may not be xenophobic, but being a naturalized American has absolutely nothing to do with it. There are so many different types of ethnicities and nationalities that it's entirely possible for you to be xenophobic towards Melat. For example many people from Asian nationalities are still xenophobic towards Africans so to me that means nothing.

coronafreedom wrote:

sham world 2020 wrote:

Xenophobe? I’m a naturalised American. The very last thing that I’d consider would be someone’s nationality as part of any equation. Your “feeling” was just your poor diet.

You very well may not be xenophobic, but being a naturalized American has absolutely nothing to do with it. There are so many different types of ethnicities and nationalities that it's entirely possible for you to be xenophobic towards Melat. For example many people from Asian nationalities are still xenophobic towards Africans so to me that means nothing.

Sleep well knowing that your hypothesis regarding my personal ethics and morals is/was completely false. Moreover, my statement regarding Kejeta has everything to do with a best of 31:50 for 10k and 1:08:41 for half marathon only two years ago (after 8-10 years of training).

coronafreedom wrote:

sham world 2020 wrote:

Xenophobe? I’m a naturalised American. The very last thing that I’d consider would be someone’s nationality as part of any equation. Your “feeling” was just your poor diet.

You very well may not be xenophobic, but being a naturalized American has absolutely nothing to do with it. There are so many different types of ethnicities and nationalities that it's entirely possible for you to be xenophobic towards Melat. For example many people from Asian nationalities are still xenophobic towards Africans so to me that means nothing.

+1

Well, I have no idea if she's doping (her progression this year is amazing, especially considering she already went out similary fast at RAK this year, but only managed 1:08:56), but it at least should be considered that she wasn't able to train very seriously in her first years after moving to Germany as it's also apparent from her progression (actually she worked as a cleaning lady for some time iirc). So she basically already ran 1:10 at 19 (or whatever) years old, semi-retired and then - with the help of carbon shoes - bettered her old time by 5 minutes. Still fantastic improvement, but there are at least like 10 Americans in the last 5 years alone who showed similar or better improvements, it's not that uncommon.

(also it should be obvious that her track times can't be taken very serious)

Yes wrote:

I doubt that she will get caught

Caught for what exactly?

If they are doping, it sure isn't affecting their attractiveness. Ethiopian-origin women as a group are hands down the most attractive runners on the planet.

YMMV wrote:

If they are doping, it sure isn't affecting their attractiveness. Ethiopian-origin women as a group are hands down the most attractive runners on the planet.

Yes I agree with you on that. Some Kenyan women are attractive but there are quite a few Kenyan female athletes who seem to be afflicted, unfortunately, with receding hairlines which do not create an advantage for their overall attractiveness. Not sure why that should be so. In addition, many females Kenyan athletes sport very short haircuts which make them basically look like young boys which is rather weird in a way.

Not dissing Kenyan women in general because I’m sure there are some bombshells but this is an observation.

Then you have the weird styles of many Kenyan women or former Kenyan women like the Turkish Kenyan woman runner Can, who runs with her arms, at least her right arm, right up to her face which is really bizarre. Strange arm carriages with some Kenyan women but not all.

But if you want attractive female athletes look no further than countries like Ukraine where there are so many bombshells. Those gals are mind blowing in attractiveness, in general.

We agree on all of this.

"Well, the Ukraine girls really knock me out, leave the West behind...."

When somebody who has been running half-marathons at a elite/sub-elite level for 10 years suddenly gets a PB by 3:23, that is automatically suspicious. I know nothing about the woman, so maybe there is an explanation, but to me that is kind of the point: when someone in that situation makes a huge improvement, it demands an explanation.

The way I see it, it's probably not just the shoes, because they've been around the last couple of years, and might already help explain he modest improvement from 1:10 to 1:08.

And I doubt "she just started training seriously" would explain it either. She's been active for close to a decade and it seems doubtful that it would have taken that long for an elite runner to finally be hooked up with a half-decent coach. Someone with 1:05:18 talent would have at least shown flashes of it over the course of a decade.

I am still stunned and don't know what to say.

We (German distance running fans) knew that she was much more talented than her PBs said and in fact potentially word class. And we knew it from no other than Patrick Sang, Eliud Kipchoge's coach, who was also Melat's coach when she passed 2 months in Kenya to prepare for her marathon debut last year.

So I would have been elated but not surprised had she run a low 67, or maybe even 66:40 given that the conditions must have been ideal (66 out of 101 finishers ran a PB).

But definitely no one had the slightest idea that she might be able to contend for a medal.

News reported she got tested postive for Covid right after the race. If its true she must have been running with the virus

Ghost1 wrote:

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2020 1:05:18 Gdynia (POL) 17 OCT 2020

2019 1:09:29 Zwolle (NED) 15 JUN 2019

2018 1:08:41 Venlo (NED) 25 MAR 2018

2017 1:11:00 Berlin (GER) 02 APR 2017

2015 1:15:18 Ottendorf (GER) 20 SEP 2015

2014 1:15:06 Mannheim (GER) 31 MAY 2014

2012 1:10:27 Ivry-sur-Seine (FRA) 08 APR 2012

2011 1:10:43 Rabat (MAR) 03 APR 2011

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Ok. Let's asume she's on drugs. What drug is worth 3.30 in the half? That's better than any drug I know of.

But remember, super shoes. Is it possible, she was running in non super shoes up until 2019? I could see her being a super responding and improving by 2 minutes via shoe tech alone. There still is another 90 seconds to explain but maybe she's more dedicated/motivated as she's a) older b) a super responder to shoes.