Brazier's NFL career would last about as long as WVN's celebrity soccer career, and with a similar outcome.
Brazier's NFL career would last about as long as WVN's celebrity soccer career, and with a similar outcome.
Little Debbie wrote:
Maybe as a punter? MJ had a better shot at MLB than Brazier has at the NFL.
just watch, when he retires from track he'll reveal that he's been practicing kicking in his spare time and can boom 80 yard punts all day
Looks like he's been spending all summer drinking with Engels has done a number on his intelligence.
george c wrote:
the next calvin johnson? wrote:
He talked about it with Reuters at the beginning of the year and now again with the Olympic people.
Dude could run a fly pattern nearly every play without slowing down . The DB covering him would need oxygen by number 3 or 4. Not that his team would use him that way but he could almost single handedly wear down the opposing defensive backfield.
Except they wouldn't bother with man to man coverage on the guy and one hard tackled he would be out for ever.
this is silly wrote:
adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:
Vince Papale of course didn't play in college but did in HS. There have been a couple of rugby players (Christian Wade, Alex Gray,...) and Austrialian rules footballers (Jarryd Hayne ) who have made the NFL without college ball. But they were also playing sports whose skill set aligned pretty well with the NFL. Want to say there were a couple of throwers who also went this route.
Personally I think Carli Lloyd's chances of making the NFL are higher (like .01 vs 0001%:)).....
I stated in my 1st post on this thread, 5 years. The fellas you stated did not really play in N.F.L. When I posted, I knew Brock Lesner was in a MN Vikes uniform for a cup of coffee. I knew about Renaldo Nehemiah, James Hines, Tommie Smith and other cup of coffee guys.
Read your post again. Did you mispel the word five as sixty? Not even RoJo spells that bad:) And yes none of those guys has had a notable career. But they did at least make the NFL.
redmeansdead wrote:
^This^
I admire DB's moxy, but it's also delusional. There are so many factors working against him. Lack of size, lack of strength, lack of explosive sprint speed, lack of experience....and we have no idea if he possesses the unique skill set necessary to excel in the NFL (good hands, coordination, agility, field awareness, vision, durability, etc). There have been a ton of elite athletes from other sports over the years who thought they could play in the NFL, only to find out NOOOOOOPE.
Yeah it happens a lot where athletes think they would be really good in another. There are tons of exAthletes who think they will be good at golf. After all they can smash the ball a mile on the driving range. Very few get really good and pretty much nobody gets to a prolevel. In theory a lot of athletes could probably have been good at another sport if they would have spend the thousand of hours perfecting their skills. I am sure MJ would have been a major leaguer if instead of playing BB 6 hours day from 16-30, he had spent that time hitting a baseball. But he didn't. Maybe if DB had spend the past 10 years working on his football skills he would be in the NFL. But he didn't and there is no way on earth he is going to catch up to the guys who did.
Pure athleticism can let you be competitive at HS and even college levels. At the prolevel though you find everyone else is just as athletic AND they have mad skills...
adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:
this is silly wrote:
Poster, you have put a lot of time into your research. When I posted earlier, I thought maybe Christian Okoye may have been the only N.F.L. athlete (non-kicker) over past sixty years not to participate in college Am. football. A poster corrected me. Okoye played college football. You're listing height and possible sprinting speed for Brazier as if those two factors will decide Brazier's Am. football fate.
Vince Papale of course didn't play in college but did in HS. There have been a couple of rugby players (Christian Wade, Alex Gray,...) and Austrialian rules footballers (Jarryd Hayne ) who have made the NFL without college ball. But they were also playing sports whose skill set aligned pretty well with the NFL. Want to say there were a couple of throwers who also went this route.
Personally I think Carli Lloyd's chances of making the NFL are higher (like .01 vs 0001%:)).....
Chris Hogan was a lacrosse player at Penn State. Played one year college football while getting a masters from Monmouth. Won two Super Bowls with the Pats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hogan_(American_football)What a load of crap.
Runner10287 wrote:
george c wrote:
Dude could run a fly pattern nearly every play without slowing down . The DB covering him would need oxygen by number 3 or 4. Not that his team would use him that way but he could almost single handedly wear down the opposing defensive backfield.
Except they wouldn't bother with man to man coverage on the guy and one hard tackled he would be out for ever.
Don't you think knowing coverage with 4 or 5 wide would not bring a distinct advantage to the offense?
I just playing along. I know these things are not as simple as I am making it sound. I am just enjoying promoting how easy it would be for Brazier to run 6-8 X 40 meter sprints with :30 rest versus guys who are pure fast twitch. Of course no one has mentioned the effect of pads on his speed and sprint endurance.
adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:
Yeah it happens a lot where athletes think they would be really good in another. There are tons of exAthletes who think they will be good at golf. After all they can smash the ball a mile on the driving range. Very few get really good and pretty much nobody gets to a prolevel. In theory a lot of athletes could probably have been good at another sport if they would have spend the thousand of hours perfecting their skills. I am sure MJ would have been a major leaguer if instead of playing BB 6 hours day from 16-30, he had spent that time hitting a baseball. But he didn't. Maybe if DB had spend the past 10 years working on his football skills he would be in the NFL. But he didn't and there is no way on earth he is going to catch up to the guys who did.
Pure athleticism can let you be competitive at HS and even college levels. At the prolevel though you find everyone else is just as athletic AND they have mad skills...
My theory is that young athletes almost always gravitate to the glamour/money sports in their respective countries if they can cut it (and in east Africa, that means running). If Tyreek Hill had joined the cross country team in high school instead of the football team, maybe he could have beaten Donovan Brazier or Tim Cheruiyot in the diamond league this year. Who knows. He'd be a lot less rich, though.
I'd bet DB has next to zero coordination. If he had even an ounce, he probably would have stuck with football and physically look very different. There are probably a bunch of guys in the US who had decent college football careers but never had the skills to make it in the NFL who could have been elite runners.
I'm not sure why he's so confident that he could play in the NFL but if he ever tries the players will be salivating at the thought of laying big hits on him. I was nowhere near the 800 runner that Brazier is but I ran 1:56 in the 800m in high school, was a good athlete in general (2 year varsity starter at 2 guard on basketball team), and walked on to the track team at Arizona State University and ran for 4 years. However, in high school one of my league rivals was Russell White who I believe is still the all time leading rusher at Cal Berkeley and the nephew of Heisman Trophy winner, Charles White. He was a phenomenal athlete and I used to run the mile relay against him. One time we got the baton at the same time and I let him take the lead thinking that I would draft off of him and then sprint by him in the last 50 meters. I stayed behind him and then tried to blow by him at about 60 meters. He hit what I like to call a "turbo boost" button and immediately responded with a burst of speed like I had never seen before. It was at that point I realized what the difference was between me and a truly explosive athlete. If Brazier goes to the NFL he will experience the same. While running track at ASU I was around the football team all the time and pretty much all of those dudes were explosive. Even the undersized receivers were strong and quick. There were also plenty of guys with good size who were bench warmers but would be in the rec center dunking and flying up and down the court. If he ever tries the NFL I'll be praying for him because football is a whole different animal than track.
this is silly wrote:
N.F.L. is a game of skills then we can discuss size, sprinting ability and football I.Q. Bob Hayes is an awful example of a track & field athlete playing in N.F.L. Hayes played Am. football in high school and college. I can only think of one non-college football player who played at least 5 seasons in N.F.L., Christian Okoye. At 6'1" 255 pounds with an N.F.L. Combine 4.45 40 time, it was worth it for N.F.L. teams to take a chance on a T&F thrower. [I believe Okoye may have played at least one season of college football.]
Not really relevant to Brazier, but Jordan Mailata was drafted in the 7th round as an Australian rugby player with no experience in football. He's now in his 3rd season and starting LT for the Eagles.
cb800 wrote:
I'm not sure why he's so confident that he could play in the NFL but if he ever tries the players will be salivating at the thought of laying big hits on him. I was nowhere near the 800 runner that Brazier is but I ran 1:56 in the 800m in high school, was a good athlete in general (2 year varsity starter at 2 guard on basketball team), and walked on to the track team at Arizona State University and ran for 4 years. However, in high school one of my league rivals was Russell White who I believe is still the all time leading rusher at Cal Berkeley and the nephew of Heisman Trophy winner, Charles White. He was a phenomenal athlete and I used to run the mile relay against him. One time we got the baton at the same time and I let him take the lead thinking that I would draft off of him and then sprint by him in the last 50 meters. I stayed behind him and then tried to blow by him at about 60 meters. He hit what I like to call a "turbo boost" button and immediately responded with a burst of speed like I had never seen before. It was at that point I realized what the difference was between me and a truly explosive athlete. If Brazier goes to the NFL he will experience the same. While running track at ASU I was around the football team all the time and pretty much all of those dudes were explosive. Even the undersized receivers were strong and quick. There were also plenty of guys with good size who were bench warmers but would be in the rec center dunking and flying up and down the court. If he ever tries the NFL I'll be praying for him because football is a whole different animal than track.
Word.
Even heard of Bethel Johnson? Exactly. Lightning fast. Played for the Patriots sometime in the mid 2000’s. Absolutely sucked aside from returning a few kick offs for touchdowns. In today’s NFL that would be irrelevant because they moved the kickoff line and can kick it through the end zone basically whenever they want for a touch back.
Usain Bolt had zero chance of playing in the NFL. Brazier has negative chance. NFL defenses play zone. The corner backs don’t need to be as fast as him to cover him. He might be able to make it on a practice squad out of pure intrigue by so crappy franchise like Detroit or Cleveland but he wouldn’t be able to make it onto a single active roster. If the NFL forced a team to sign/play him, he would not catch a single pass. And you can take that to the bank
Who doesn't want to play in the NFL? A great 800m, does not make you a great football player.
Darren Clark, Oz record holder in 400m, went pro in Rugby League, scored a try on his first touch of the ball, a few hard tackles later his rugby league career was over.
Rugby league ain’t NFL
800m ain’t 400m
DB ain’t DC
DB has as much chance as an NFL Player switching to middle distance running.
DB has proven he’s a pure middle distance runner 800m/1500m, rather than a long sprinter. This diminishes his chances further.
He had a season ending track injury one year, he’d have to routinely play through much worse in the NFL.
If Gatlin, who is bullet proof injury wise, 100m specialist, and powerful, couldn’t do it, DB has no chance.
sparky polastry wrote:
this is silly wrote:
N.F.L. is a game of skills then we can discuss size, sprinting ability and football I.Q. Bob Hayes is an awful example of a track & field athlete playing in N.F.L. Hayes played Am. football in high school and college. I can only think of one non-college football player who played at least 5 seasons in N.F.L., Christian Okoye. At 6'1" 255 pounds with an N.F.L. Combine 4.45 40 time, it was worth it for N.F.L. teams to take a chance on a T&F thrower. [I believe Okoye may have played at least one season of college football.]
Not really relevant to Brazier, but Jordan Mailata was drafted in the 7th round as an Australian rugby player with no experience in football. He's now in his 3rd season and starting LT for the Eagles.
Five years is relevant. Must play 5 full season to earn N.F.L. pension. Guys who do not last 5 years in N.F.L. allow their brain & body to be abused and have nothing to show for it.
Guy hasn't raced in like 3 months and he still has us on here talking about him. He's got this whole being a notable athlete thing down pretty good for his age.
adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:
this is silly wrote:
I stated in my 1st post on this thread, 5 years. The fellas you stated did not really play in N.F.L. When I posted, I knew Brock Lesner was in a MN Vikes uniform for a cup of coffee. I knew about Renaldo Nehemiah, James Hines, Tommie Smith and other cup of coffee guys.
Read your post again. Did you mispel the word five as sixty? Not even RoJo spells that bad:) And yes none of those guys has had a notable career. But they did at least make the NFL.
Pay attention to detail. If you make bombs or grenades for a weapon manufacturer, I worry about the lad who picks up a grenade you made. I stated 1st post. You responded to my second post on this thread. As I just stated to another poster, anyone who does not last 5 seasons in N.F.L. has abused their brain & body for nothing. One needs to last five full seasons to earn N.F.L. pension. There is no upside playing in N.F.L. for four seasons or less.
adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:
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Read your post again. Did you mispel the word five as sixty? Not even RoJo spells that bad:) And yes none of those guys has had a notable career. But they did at least make the NFL.
*misspell