Dr. Fauci tells Americans to cancel their Thanksgiving plans

high school xc coach wrote:

hcjhj wrote:

America's are stupid and selfish, hello death.

go ahead and spend the next 5 years avoiding human interaction. touching, hugging, seeing faces, meeting new people, starting new relationships.

and then when you are dying at 80/90/100, in a universe that will go on infinitely, think about those 5 good years you sacrificed.

and think about the current elderly people who are being asked to give up their last good years of being a human being.

I know there are some people who are very strongly on the spectrum and can't understand this type of thing. these are people who are loving this new way of living. But many other people realize that we only live once. And our best years are VERY limited.

I don't understand why people are upset that 80 year olds are dying.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE 80.

When I'm 80, I plan on dying, and it probably won't be pleasant, but that's life.

And I don't understand that you don't understand. Because it is an ethical question. When you are 80, normally you have more than 5 years to live. When you are 70, approx 15 years. And most people over 70 have underlying conditions.

You may not make 80

Jamin that is very good advice until we get covid under control

Why are you using euphemisms like really hard? Why not just say "We would have had 1-4 million people die but it would be all gone now" if that is what you really think we should have done. A couple deaths for you not having to wear a mask is a good trade off right?

Boulder bro wrote:

Jamin that is very good advice until we get covid under control

And for how long are you willing to do that to your elderly loved ones? What if one of them passes away from something non-Covid and you didn't see them (and more importantly, they didn't get to see you or any other family) for the last year+ of their lives because you were 'projecting them'?

You won't get an answer wrote:

Boulder bro wrote:

Jamin that is very good advice until we get covid under control

And for how long are you willing to do that to your elderly loved ones? What if one of them passes away from something non-Covid and you didn't see them (and more importantly, they didn't get to see you or any other family) for the last year+ of their lives because you were 'projecting them'?

I'm confused. I thought we were supposed to isolate the old people and live normal lives because only they are at risk.

Now we are supposed to see them too? This means I have to take more care to not be infected -- I can't live a normal life.

It's almost like, you can't really 'isolate the vulnerable' and it's a red herring argument.

Harambe wrote:

You won't get an answer wrote:

And for how long are you willing to do that to your elderly loved ones? What if one of them passes away from something non-Covid and you didn't see them (and more importantly, they didn't get to see you or any other family) for the last year+ of their lives because you were 'projecting them'?

I'm confused. I thought we were supposed to isolate the old people and live normal lives because only they are at risk.

Now we are supposed to see them too? This means I have to take more care to not be infected -- I can't live a normal life.

It's almost like, you can't really 'isolate the vulnerable' and it's a red herring argument.

Find me the spot where I said anything about isolating the vulnerable.

When you are 80, normally you have more than 5 years to live. When you are 70, approx 15 years. And most people over 70 have underlying conditions.

Do you understand stats at all? Some 80 year olds will live 5 more years. Some will live 20 more years. Some will live three more minutes and keel over.

Just because the average 80 year old lives to 85, that means nothing about the prospects for any given 80 year old.

Per the CDC, 5% of 80 year olds will die within a year. 5% is also roughly your chance of dying if you get covid at 80.

CircusClowns wrote:

jamin wrote:

No joke

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/15/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/

No, no no. YOU and everyone else speaking out against him are the jokes. The man has served this country for such a long time, only to have Trump and his clown posse try and sully his name because what he says doesn't align with your "freedoms."

Every single one of you are cowards.

"freedoms"? you can shove those quote marks up your a$s

Welp... I've officially nixed going 'home' for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Too risky to be bringing that into contact with my older mother.

I'll go in January instead.

Hey Kitty Girl wrote:

Welp... I've officially nixed going 'home' for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Too risky to be bringing that into contact with my older mother.

I'll go in January instead.

I assume this is a tongue-in-cheek post. If not, what do you think is going to be different from Christmas and January....

Turkey on the run wrote:

Here are real numbers.

Corona is here to stay since to many idiots think it's a hoax of some sorts.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

"Here to stay"? What a leftist phrase.

We are cool with living with something that has a 0.02% chance of killing us.

Again, we idiots agree that it is not a hoax, that it exists, but that it is not a significant threat, as the bubonic plague was.

Best post ever. Eloquently put.

Boulder bro wrote:

Jamin that is very good advice until we get covid under control

Define "under control." That's not rhetorical it's serious. We had it "under control" at the beginning of the summer. Then we re-opened and it came back. Most of Europe had it "under control" mid-summer. Then then they re-opened and now look at the spikes.

Why not just say "until we have a vaccine." It's clear we'll never have it "under control."

You won't get an answer wrote:

Here is what no one can get through their thick skulls. Until there is an actual discussion about what we're aiming for as "safe" to resume business as usual, more and more people are going to continue to throw up their hands and going back to business as usual on their own. I don't have a single elderly person in my life that want to be alone during the holidays (or anytime) at this point. Did they miss Easter? Yes. Did they miss 4th of July? Yes. But months later, they are feeling like this is never going to end and they are just going to "risk it" and get together with family. At this point, what evidence do we have that anything will be different by Thanksgiving 2021?!

Yep. You begin with a three week lockdown to "flatten the curve" back in March and here we are over 7 month later still being pushed around

The thing that gets me on all of this is the same folks pushing hard to take mental health and the economic gap seriously are the ones supporting the policies that are terrible for mental health and are widening the economic gap.

You won't get an answer wrote:

Other guy wrote:

Yep. You begin with a three week lockdown to "flatten the curve" back in March and here we are over 7 month later still being pushed around

The thing that gets me on all of this is the same folks pushing hard to take mental health and the economic gap seriously are the ones supporting the policies that are terrible for mental health and are widening the economic gap.

How is re-opening the country bad for mental health and the economy?

You won't get an answer wrote:

what do you think is going to be different from Christmas and January.

It will be easier to travel in January, because not as many people will be traveling.