Killin the track posers wrote:
Jakob beats Kilian by 1 minute here but Kilian beats Jakob by 20 minutes at Sierre Zinal. Who would you pick as your favorite runner? Who's the more worthy runner?
1 minute? Are you kidding? Jornet will be more than a minute back at halfway.
bengel wrote:
Immigrant for Eritrea. Naturalized earlier this year.
Nordås turned 22 September 30. Both huge talents.
Mzengi is 34. His goal is to try to qualify for next year's olympic marathon!
Seriously you believe this sub 30 claim? The guy purposely left off the elapsed time because for sure it was a stop and go/interval session. He also provided zero data to verify the course. It could have been down hill run in a way where he ran say 1k then full rest then another k etc for 10k. Quite fraudulent that someone who is so keen to show details left out all the important data to prove he actually ran sub30. Is the race this weekend legal (not a net drop) ?
I thought Jakob was running world half. It's a shame if he's just running this non-competitive race.
jogfest wrote:
Kipchoge wouldn't do well in a 100m, but would destroy KJ in a 100K. I don't understand why all you KJ fanbois can't see that a man who can run 4:40 miles for two hours can also jog 6:00 miles for five hours,
KJ states that he doesn't do flat races of 15 minutes or 30 minutes because he gets bored. Liar. There is no doubt that many of his six hour to 20 hour "races" have many 15 minute stretches of flats. The real reason that he won't step up and run real races against real competition is because he risks getting exposed for not being elite. He competes whole heartedly in niche fringe outings against sub-elite comp. If he goes through with this road race, and he is already piling on the excuses, he won't come close to the times that he claims for workouts, won't come close to the times of good high school kids, and won't come close to the times of all-American caliber women. His road racing will prove to put him at the level of a regional turkey trot winner.
If he shows up in good shape he will run close to 29 flat
Kilian has beaten Jakob
Kilian destroys Jakob by over 5 minutes while wearing a T-shirt. Welcome to 2020
As I said, the guy is a fraud. Almost loses to top woman. His false claim of sub 30 in "training after a vk" is complete utter nonsense. He had 6 months to prep for a 29:59? He is a true mountain runner for long and technical events but not the goat of off road trail overall as there are faster type courses and even short courses like world champs in mountain which he has never won. He is also not as versatile as Gray, Walmslry or King. They all ran faster 10k easily but also win various mountain. Gray is truly exception as he has won some bug XC events and the faster 10k than all of them. Maybe time we stop overlooking the Americans for their versatility
anotherzidiot wrote:
As I said, the guy is a fraud. Almost loses to top woman. His false claim of sub 30 in "training after a vk" is complete utter nonsense. He had 6 months to prep for a 29:59? He is a true mountain runner for long and technical events but not the goat of off road trail overall as there are faster type courses and even short courses like world champs in mountain which he has never won. He is also not as versatile as Gray, Walmslry or King. They all ran faster 10k easily but also win various mountain. Gray is truly exception as he has won some bug XC events and the faster 10k than all of them. Maybe time we stop overlooking the Americans for their versatility
Gray, Walmsley, and King all have been smashed in races by Kilian as well.. What’s your point?
Well the point is they have all run well in races outside of the same genre kilian sticks to (technical, lots of vert, long). Gray in fact has destroyed Kilian keep in mind. The Americans have run well on all surfaces too keep in mind. No track, road or xc for kilian that even comes close to Gray and the Americanos
anotherzidiot wrote:
Well the point is they have all run well in races outside of the same genre kilian sticks to (technical, lots of vert, long). Gray in fact has destroyed Kilian keep in mind. The Americans have run well on all surfaces too keep in mind. No track, road or xc for kilian that even comes close to Gray and the Americanos
To be fair it’s because he has never run track, road or xc, ever, so that’s a pretty daft statement.
anotherzidiot wrote:
Well the point is they have all run well in races outside of the same genre kilian sticks to (technical, lots of vert, long). Gray in fact has destroyed Kilian keep in mind. The Americans have run well on all surfaces too keep in mind. No track, road or xc for kilian that even comes close to Gray and the Americanos
So you’re mad at the guy and calling him a fraud because he sticks to events that he specializes in?
Man you made me realize how much a fraud all the greats are in any respective sport. Michael Jordan is a fraud because he was a terrible baseball player or better yet a below average 3pt shooter. Makes sense. Smh
Filip only ran 29:03. That guy must really suck also.
You mad bro? Admit it even if he had gone sub 29 you’d be complaining he didn’t go sub 28 or some nonsense. Remind me, what was the last time any of those guys you mentioned won a 100 mile race that isn’t named western states? Being able to run fast on the track or trails isn’t the point. Kilian is the goat because of the variety of distances and terrain and he even dominates other mountain sport disciplines. Sub 30 for his first 10k when he has no track or road background whatsoever is pretty solid.
T-shirt wrote:
So you’re mad at the guy and calling him a fraud because he sticks to events that he specializes in?
Man you made me realize how much a fraud all the greats are in any respective sport. Michael Jordan is a fraud because he was a terrible baseball player or better yet a below average 3pt shooter. Makes sense. Smh
Nice! I think it’s good to have ultra guys admit that comparing an ultra to actual running is the same as comparing basketball to baseball. Agreed, 100%. Two completely different sports. Ultra’s are just not like actual running at all, it’s mountain hiking.
I have no problems admitting they’re completely different. Apples to oranges. I also have no problem admitting where a Kilian or Walmsley falls in the spectrum of traditional running events.
I think it’s silly the majority letsrun crowd likes to denounce these athletes. Must pretty embarrassing for traditional runners with extensive backgrounds and specific training to get beat by glorified “mountain hikers” on limited training. Not sure what that says. People should respect the athletes for what they do. There are annoying fanboys/girls on both sides.
kiliankillinem wrote:
You mad bro? Admit it even if he had gone sub 29 you’d be complaining he didn’t go sub 28 or some nonsense.. Sub 30 for his first 10k when he has no track or road background whatsoever is pretty solid.
Haters gonna hate.
Your post reminds me of what I've always said about the Rupp bashing on these boards.
Wins silver medal in Olympics and the haters say "He didn't win gold"
Wins bronze medal in Olympics and the haters say "He finished third and was X time behind the winner"
Wins Chicago Marathon against a pretty stacked field (based on PRs) and it's "Yeah, well the real top Kenyans weren't there and he only ran X time, which isn't really impressive"
Wins Prague Marathon and PRs and it's "He only ran 2:06, what's the big deal?"
He could go to London Marathon, run 2:05 flat, set the AR, finish 5th and it would be "Yeah, but he didn't win"
Hell, he could go to London Marathon, run 2:05:39, NOT set the AR, WIN the race and it would be "Yeah, but he didn't set the AR and the only reason he won is because the Kenyans had a bad day"
Kudos to Jornet for stepping out of his comfort zone.
I was disappointed too until I saw his splits. He ran it like the rookie he is.
He was leading through 1k in 2:48! Came through 5k in 14:34 and died big time.
With even pacing I can see 29:30, but sub 29 seems a bit of stretch.
Reminds me of when I see fast track or road guys try their first trail race and blow up. Just because you’re good at one doesn’t mean you’re going to transition easily to the other.
We’ll see if Kilian has the patience or interest to try and improve in this realm
Kilian can run among the top women. I suspect that he could run 2:10-12 for a full marathon in good conditions.