Cool.
2025
Columbia, Mo.
Gans Creek Cross Country Course
host: Missouri
2024
Madison, Wis.
Zimmer Championship Course
host: Wisconsin
2023
Charlottesville, Va.
Panorama Farms
host: Virginia
2022
Stillwater, Okla.
OSU Cross Country Course
host: Oklahoma State
2021
Tallahassee, Fla.
Apalachee Regional Park
host: Florida State
Sat Nov 20
Their women won't qualify, and there's a good chance their men won't as well because they'll be graduating many of their top runners. Only thing that might save them is that they are in one of the weakest regions.
There is this thing called recruiting in college, I understand that the UVA coach is pretty good at it, and not bad at the coaching thing either......
A few questions I have regarding NCAA xc sites.
1) Anyone know what the UVA course is like? Is it the same course that they used in 1987?
2) I was on wikipedia today to look and see which of these sites had hosted before and noticed that NCAA xc used to always be held at Michigan State. The first 26 NCAA xc races were all held at the Forest Akers East Golf Course in East Lansing, Michigan.
Is the Michigan State course still used? Why don't we ever have it there?
3) Why did outdoor track go to Hayward field for so many years in a row? If they want to repeat the same venue over and over, why don't they do that for all three sports?
Panorama Farms at UVA is an awesome XC course, all grass, hilly. The 10k course they've used for regionals is short by a lot.
I can't picture how the course will fit the competitors or the spectators. But I guess they have a few years to prepare.
That many years without Terre Haute hosting seems pretty harsh, considering how great a job they do and how perfect their course is for nationals.
The southeast is not a weak region, maybe you are confusing it with the other southern regions. This one consistently has 4-5 men’s teams qualifying to nationals, usually along with some very good Kenyan individuals up front. They redid the course a little bit this past year and it’s now a true 10k. It indeed was about 400 meters short years prior though. With Vin running the show over there now, I imagine he’ll pull some strings to get the course up to par with the other national courses (atleast I hope so). Definitely is a bummer about Terre Haute, but besides the nice course the town is a crap shoot so it makes a little sense.
virginiasports. com /panorama-farms/
6 km
https://storage.googleapis.com/virginiasports-com/2020/06/a6a5454c-6k-new-format-9-23-19.pdf
10 km
https://storage.googleapis.com/virginiasports-com/2020/06/e10942f3-10k-new-format-10-22-1.pdf
Video:
https://youtu.be/_h4dOo_VPqI?t=6
Panorama Farms hills slow down the speed rating according to milesplit
va.milesplit. com /venues/1614
Chris Fox says Panorama Farms is a tough course
flotrack. org /events/5010483-2016-virginia-panorama-farms-xc-invitational/videos?playing=5629231
Have you seen their recruiting class? That ncaa XC meet is still several years away. Plenty of time. Also, the southeast region is definitely not one of the weaker regions at all. Obviously you have not looked at results. It’s not the west or mountain but better than most.
Rojo, '87 was a different course.
UVA was the site of the 1987 NCAA Championships, which were held at the Foxfield Course in Charlottesville
[quote]rojo wrote:
2) I was on wikipedia today to look and see which of these sites had hosted before and noticed that NCAA xc used to always be held at Michigan State. The first 26 NCAA xc races were all held at the Forest Akers East Golf Course in East Lansing, Michigan.
Is the Michigan State course still used? Why don't we ever have it there?
Rojo, MSU still run their home meets at Forest Akers East GC.
https://msuspartans.com/news/2020/7/17/spartan-cross-country-invitational-update.aspx
I have been to Panorama Farms a bunch of times for HS meets and it is a awesome course. Looking at the map the course looks like it cuts off the biggest hill in the 10k although I'm not positive. Meet management always puts on a really good event and the course is usually kept in good conditions.
My biggest concern would be how are they going to accommodate parking for all the spectators
exciting event wrote:
I have been to Panorama Farms a bunch of times for HS meets and it is a awesome course. Looking at the map the course looks like it cuts off the biggest hill in the 10k although I'm not positive. Meet management always puts on a really good event and the course is usually kept in good conditions.
My biggest concern would be how are they going to accommodate parking for all the spectators
It looks like there are some open fields at Panorama Farms that could potentially be used for parking, but if there's any kind of rainy weather, that might turn into a disaster. Looks like nearest large parking lot that could be used with shuttles is at UVA Research Park, but there's not enough parking there to fit a ton of spectators. Luckily, they have 3 years to come up with a plan.
Not sure what it was in 1987, but Panorama Farms is a good course. It's hilly, but good footing. They work hard to maintain it. Everyone has always figured the 8k course is a little short.
Better question is...
Will there be an CC programs left by 2023?
Sam Parsons is a fan.
https://twitter.com/kavithadavidson/status/1316400007520620545
I think it's great that the NCAA is moving nats around more and especially that they have selected some notably hilly courses (OK State and Panorama, I've heard, are both fairly hilly). I do find it a bit discouraging that OK State renovated their course to make it all super wide, short cut grass. I think having some narrower sections or sections of dirt or woodchip can make a race more interesting and add an extra element of strategy. With the super wide courses that are always used, there is rarely any real strategy beyond "run fast" that relates to the course itself, which I think is a missed opportunity.
Imagine Nats being held on a course with a narrow section that begins at the 5-6k mark and ends at 8k. Teams would have to really prioritize being in good position before the 5k mark, which would make the first part of the race fast and exciting. Do you tell your team to burn some matches early to ensure good position, or do you let them hold back and blitz the last 2k in an attempt to pass those teams that went hard early to get in good position? Similar strategic considerations could also arise from a really big hill or an especially hilly section of a course (e.g. do you attack the hill/s and try create a gap between you and your competitors, or do you save energy for the very end and make your move there, etc). Anyway, I just think course design is generally too basic in XC and in pro road running as well, and that more varied and challenging course design could add in an a much-needed element of strategy to racing.
The course right now has much fewer hills than it did before 2019. They took out a loop which included a heartbreaking hill. I'd imagine many changes to come by 2023 to accomodate for spectators, and a much larger field of runners than it's seen in a while.
That's disappointing. Why does running constantly seem to want to make itself more boring?
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