World Health Organization Appeals to World Leaders: STOP USING LOCKDOWNS- MAKES POOR PEOPLE POORER

Alzheimer's and dementia - like autism - are caused by vaccinations.

This is a big LOL.

Have you checked prior recessions? Every recession the same trends happen. People travel less, the poor get poorer, kids go hungry, and so on. It's how it goes. The difference is the recovery from this will be very fast. Once we have a vaccine we can open the world again as if nothing happened. Just pick up where we left off in February 2020. Other recession take years to get back to where we were prior to the respective recession.

In other words, this is a big non-story. Just uneducated people spouting off nonsense to sound smart.

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sbeefyk2 wrote:
This is a big LOL.

Have you checked prior recessions? Every recession the same trends happen. People travel less, the poor get poorer, kids go hungry, and so on. It's how it goes. The difference is the recovery from this will be very fast. Once we have a vaccine we can open the world again as if nothing happened. Just pick up where we left off in February 2020. Other recession take years to get back to where we were prior to the respective recession.

In other words, this is a big non-story. Just uneducated people spouting off nonsense to sound smart.

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sbeefyk2 wrote:
This is a big LOL.

Have you checked prior recessions? Every recession the same trends happen. People travel less, the poor get poorer, kids go hungry, and so on. It's how it goes. The difference is the recovery from this will be very fast. Once we have a vaccine we can open the world again as if nothing happened. Just pick up where we left off in February 2020. Other recession take years to get back to where we were prior to the respective recession.

In other words, this is a big non-story. Just uneducated people spouting off nonsense to sound smart.

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Recessions have been solved.
We were faced with the largest employment shock of ALL TIME and we just gave out $2400/month in unemployment coverage and BOOM... confidence at all time high and jobs come rocketing back.
Glad we got to do this experiment - no one would be dumb enough to cut off the unemployment benefit when there's still record unemployment and it's still working... would they?

London will be put into tier 2 lockdown on Saturday at midnight it was announced yesterday, which means a ban on household mixing indoors and discouraging people from travelling or using public transport. Health Secretary Matt Hancock told MPs this was due to an “exponential” growth in infections.

It’s not surprising that the Health Secretary has singled out rising cases as the key metric since the number of Covid hospitalisations in London was 51 on October 10th, with three deaths. That’s three out of nine million, or 0.00003%.

From Business Insider:

Speaking in Parliament on Thursday morning, the UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock said more localized restrictions were necessary in London and elsewhere to stop the “exponential” growth in infections.

“In London, infection rates are on a steep upward path, with the number of cases doubling every ten days,” Hancock said.

But are cases doubling every 10 days? Here’s the graph by specimen date.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/London-Cases-201015-1024x518.jpg

Looks to be peaking around October 8th, even allowing for the lag in reporting. The Mail has also spotted that it appears to be slowing down. Here’s further confirmation from GP data.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/RCGP201015-1024x422.png

What about Liverpool, placed in tier 3 on Wednesday? Here’s the graph by specimen date. Daily cases appear to have peaked around October 7th there, too.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/LiverpoolCases201015-1024x520.jpg

What about Madrid, the erstwhile “second wave capital” of Europe? Here is its hospital occupancy graph, in sustained decline.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/MadridHospitals201015.jpg

Despite the continuing accumulation of evidence that lockdowns aren’t needed to control the virus, the Government’s new best friend, the many-headed WHO, was calling for lockdowns again yesterday after a brief spell of discouraging them. Reuters has the details.

Urging governments to “step up” swiftly to contain a second wave of the coronavirus pandemic, the WHO’s European director Hans Kluge said the current situation was “more than ever, pandemic times for Europe”.

New infections are hitting 100,000 daily in Europe, and the region has just registered the highest weekly incidence of COVID-19 cases since the beginning of the pandemic, with almost 700,000 cases reported.

“The fall (autumn) and winter surge continues to unfold in Europe, with exponential increases in daily cases and matching percentage increases in daily deaths,” Kluge told an online media briefing.

“It’s time to step up. The message to governments is: don’t hold back with relatively small actions to avoid the painful damaging actions we saw in the first round (in March and April).”

Kluge’s been looking at some “reliable epidemiological models”, apparently.

“These models indicate that prolonged relaxing policies could propel – by January 2021 – daily mortality at levels four to five times higher than what we recorded in April,” he said.

But taking simple, swift tightening measures now – such as enforcing widespread mask-wearing and controlling social gatherings in public or private spaces – could save up to 281,000 lives by February across the 53 countries that make up the WHO European region, he added.

Kluge does not identify these models, so we do not know if they are published or peer reviewed. (Ferguson’s infamous March 16th model has still not been peer-reviewed). But it’s okay because Mr Kluge has seen them and he can assure us they are reliable. So on that solid scientific basis he is telling the world’s governments to take “swift tightening measures now” such as masks (for which the WHO admits there is no reliable evidence) and “controlling social gatherings”. Just like that. But do such measures work, are they necessary, and are they worth it? What does the actual data say? These questions, as always, go unanswered.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/16/latest-news-164/#comments

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2600 bro wrote:
Recessions have been solved.
We were faced with the largest employment shock of ALL TIME and we just gave out $2400/month in unemployment coverage and BOOM... confidence at all time high and jobs come rocketing back.
Glad we got to do this experiment - no one would be dumb enough to cut off the unemployment benefit when there's still record unemployment and it's still working... would they?

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Lead Foil Hat wrote:
See, if you believe the reasons you are stating then sure, be the evidence showing those reasons as valid is non-existent the application of assumption to policy is not a scientific approach particularly when it goes against years of science based recommendations saying that masks are not helpful in this context. There is absolutely no new data on this virus that even suggests that masks worn by the healthy public mitigates anything. It is all assumption and anecdote. Some words might be drama to you, the child abuse not so much, just because the kids can breath does not mean that the mask are not harming them....there is the slight depression in O2 and its effects on the brain over repeated long period, there are effects on their learning of basic social cues, the impact on their mental health, the suggestion that this is normal behavior....all for what, their is no evidence kids wearing mask at school is mitigating anything...even from an obtuse paranoid angle, it barely makes any solid sense. It is insane to demand children do this just to be able to learn again and see their friends again, and live again. The practice is going to stunt their development for nothing other than political gain and control. It is sick, and what is more sick is that the pushers of these policies claim that the kids are going to kill their grandparents if they do not go along...that is a disgusting stance and definitely psychological child abuse. Insane is being polite not dramatic. The people pushing this madness are insane and they do not understand science or are abusing science for power and control; you choose how awful they are, but they are awful.

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rekrunner wrote:

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Lead Foil Hat wrote:
See, if you believe the reasons you are stating then sure, be the evidence showing those reasons as valid is non-existent the application of assumption to policy is not a scientific approach particularly when it goes against years of science based recommendations saying that masks are not helpful in this context. There is absolutely no new data on this virus that even suggests that masks worn by the healthy public mitigates anything. It is all assumption and anecdote. Some words might be drama to you, the child abuse not so much, just because the kids can breath does not mean that the mask are not harming them....there is the slight depression in O2 and its effects on the brain over repeated long period, there are effects on their learning of basic social cues, the impact on their mental health, the suggestion that this is normal behavior....all for what, their is no evidence kids wearing mask at school is mitigating anything...even from an obtuse paranoid angle, it barely makes any solid sense. It is insane to demand children do this just to be able to learn again and see their friends again, and live again. The practice is going to stunt their development for nothing other than political gain and control. It is sick, and what is more sick is that the pushers of these policies claim that the kids are going to kill their grandparents if they do not go along...that is a disgusting stance and definitely psychological child abuse. Insane is being polite not dramatic. The people pushing this madness are insane and they do not understand science or are abusing science for power and control; you choose how awful they are, but they are awful.

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Why do you talk about masks worn by the "healthy public"? The recommendations for masks is for the infected and for medical workers.

There is no doubt that masks worn by the healthy do nothing to mitigate the spread of the virus to others -- they cannot transmit the virus if they do not have it.

A problem arises when the sick can be asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic.
We cannot say for certain who is infected and who is healthy based on symptoms.

There was a study in March showing the aerosol spread of this virus through talking and singing.
And there was evidence of asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic transmission.
This is different than previous viruses which required symptoms like sneezing and coughing.
This is the "new data" that led to the recommendation to wear masks when not social distancing.
But even without "new data" assumption and anecdote is enough to create scientific recommendations and guidelines, until we get more data, or until we get a vaccine.

With respect to children, the current WHO recommendation from an international and multidisciplinary expert group for children:
- Children under 5 should not wear masks
- Children between 6-11 should under certain conditions
- Children 12 and above should wear masks like adults, when 1-meter social distancing is not possible

I see no reason to dismiss recommendations from an international and multidisciplinary expert group and replace them with the fears of non-experts posting their google search results anonymously on running forums.

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rekrunner wrote:

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Lead Foil Hat wrote:
See, if you believe the reasons you are stating then sure, be the evidence showing those reasons as valid is non-existent the application of assumption to policy is not a scientific approach particularly when it goes against years of science based recommendations saying that masks are not helpful in this context. There is absolutely no new data on this virus that even suggests that masks worn by the healthy public mitigates anything. It is all assumption and anecdote. Some words might be drama to you, the child abuse not so much, just because the kids can breath does not mean that the mask are not harming them....there is the slight depression in O2 and its effects on the brain over repeated long period, there are effects on their learning of basic social cues, the impact on their mental health, the suggestion that this is normal behavior....all for what, their is no evidence kids wearing mask at school is mitigating anything...even from an obtuse paranoid angle, it barely makes any solid sense. It is insane to demand children do this just to be able to learn again and see their friends again, and live again. The practice is going to stunt their development for nothing other than political gain and control. It is sick, and what is more sick is that the pushers of these policies claim that the kids are going to kill their grandparents if they do not go along...that is a disgusting stance and definitely psychological child abuse. Insane is being polite not dramatic. The people pushing this madness are insane and they do not understand science or are abusing science for power and control; you choose how awful they are, but they are awful.

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Why do you talk about masks worn by the "healthy public"? The recommendations for masks is for the infected and for medical workers.

There is no doubt that masks worn by the healthy do nothing to mitigate the spread of the virus to others -- they cannot transmit the virus if they do not have it.

A problem arises when the sick can be asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic.
We cannot say for certain who is infected and who is healthy based on symptoms.

There was a study in March showing the aerosol spread of this virus through talking and singing.
And there was evidence of asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic transmission.
This is different than previous viruses which required symptoms like sneezing and coughing.
This is the "new data" that led to the recommendation to wear masks when not social distancing.
But even without "new data" assumption and anecdote is enough to create scientific recommendations and guidelines, until we get more data, or until we get a vaccine.

With respect to children, the current WHO recommendation from an international and multidisciplinary expert group for children:
- Children under 5 should not wear masks
- Children between 6-11 should under certain conditions
- Children 12 and above should wear masks like adults, when 1-meter social distancing is not possible

I see no reason to dismiss recommendations from an international and multidisciplinary expert group and replace them with the fears of non-experts posting their google search results anonymously on running forums.

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rekrunner wrote:
For MSM and Fox News, you should further make a distinction between the News division, and the Entertainment division. The opinions of the stars of entertainment department have nothing to do with news in a professional sense.

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rekrunner wrote:
Yes we should trust the CDC -- your example only highlights the danger of trying to exercise "critical thinking" on your own with google research.
It doesn't matter how many COVID patients report wearing masks. The mask recommendations are intended to prevent the infected from giving the virus to others, not protect the wearer from getting the virus. The interesting statistic would be if the one who gave the virus to the COVID patient was wearing a mask, and how many others did the mask wearing COVID patients transmit the virus to, compared to non-mask wearing COVID patients.
This is why you should not look for advice and not trust sources like "jordanschactel" at "substack.com". You should look for vetted sources with a little more credibility.

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rekrunner wrote:
You misunderstand how I treat anti-doping experts like Schumacher. I have no doubt he is qualified to give expert opinions in his domain of expertise. But if you over-interpret an opinion that is outside his domain of expertise, my criticism is directed at you -- not Schumacher. Scientists like Schumacher are the first ones to say their research should not be extended to elite performance.

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rekrunner wrote:
Regarding Dr. Sunetra Gupta, it is not unusual to find experts disagreeing with each other on details and strategy. Is this professor of University of Oxford working for the CDC or the WHO, or otherwise in charge of determining policy?
You should research the fallacy of "Appeal to Authority" to understand why a single opinion even from an expert, is insufficient, even if you introduce her as "world renowned" and use italics and bold. If her ideas contradict consensus, then it needs more critical thinking rather than blind acceptance.
For the avoidance of doubt, this criticism is directed at you, not world renowned expert Dr. Sunetra Gupta's opinion or credentials.

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rekrunner wrote:
Regarding the lady in Ohio, the mask mandate language does not matter. She was asked to leave by law enforcement and resisted arrest. That is not very smart even if she is innocent. Police have beaten and shot and killed innocent suspects for that. She's lucky she was only tased. Her behavior might be expected in a lawless society, but not in a nation like the USA that respects law and order.

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Lead Foil Hat 2 wrote:
Wait, do you not realize that the requirements in most states are that healthy people wear mask in public, in some states any time you are outside. Many many people are now required by law to wear them at work all day long, many many (most) people need to work in this situation all day long just to support their families. It is insane. All children returning to school are being required to wear mask all day long just to return to learning and leave the social isolation pushed on them by covid crazies. This is insane and child abuse and will damage this generation of kids for years to come. Most people do not just wear a mask for 15 minutes a day; most of the people making this country work are forced like slave to mask up and do the bidding of their masters or be ruined. You are right, there is not reason scientifically to make the public wear masks like this, but the government do and the liberals push this measure with fascist vigilance . It is sick and wrong and needs to stop.
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In addition, the notion of asymptomatic spread being significant is not verified data; it is merely a deluded assumption, one we have never used to justify measures for any other viral event previous. It is ridiculous. Yes, it probably occurs to some degree, but we could assume it is a minimal problem and that assumption would be equally valid at this point; forcing draconian measure based on bad, misguided, and outlier hypotheses that have never been used before is insane....only politicians in their quest for power are that insane. The hypothesis that this year's insanity is merely a product of a normal virus being used for political gain is a reasonable one and there is no denying that that would be credible.

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Wearing a mask is harmful to health, is dangerous, and is child abuse and abuse to the elderly.

https://thehighwire.com/videos/mask-whistleblowers-tell-all/

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Let's dig deeper into this wrote:
Cute...rekrunner, that's basically what the Liberals say about FOX NEWS (you must be a Leftist?). OTOH, CNN is an "entertainment department" that caters to the Left. ?
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Too bad there isn't any credible RCTs to show that - there's several studies out there in the literature that fail to demonstrate that masks stop the spread of viruses. Here's a list of the studies as well as a good debate on the issue between Dr. Rancourt (negative) & Dr. Johnson (affirmative):
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That's not correct because Schumacher has testified in ABP-hematological anomalies CAS hearings as to his opinion to performance increases with elite runners. These hearings involve elite runners, not "sub-elite," not "highly trained amateurs," etc, - he's providing a professional opinion for the arbitrator as to an estimate of performance enhancement (I've explained that to you many times before).
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This is your classic hypocrisy. If you don't agree with the expert(s) that I quote & reference from then it becomes your "Appeal to Authority" monta. I can say the same thing: You're a Fauci advocate and have quoted & reference from him before. I don't agree with much of what he says - perhaps you should apply the same "Appeal to Authority" philosophy with him. Lol.

Furthermore, Gupta doesn't have a "single opinion." She's one of the framers of the "Great Barrington Declaration" that has been acknowledged & signed by many other top scientists. I would suggest you read it and get a different view on an alternative strategy (other than lockdowns, restrictions, masks, etc) to combat the virus:
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Yes...the "mandate language" does matter! It's called the LAW and every criminal statue has specific language so as to determine if there's probable cause to make an arrest. The lady is in a place of public accommodation (middle school football stadium). She tells the officer she was "asthma," and, additionally, is outside away from non-family members not violating social distancing protocol - both exemptions to the Ohio mask mandate "law" signed by the governor. Officers of the "law" should be familiar with the "law" in order to determine if there's probable cause to arrest:

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