World Health Organization Appeals to World Leaders: STOP USING LOCKDOWNS- MAKES POOR PEOPLE POORER

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Lead Foil Hat 2 wrote:

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rekrunner wrote:
Sweden, once they shored up their nursing home deaths, looks like a pretty good option now.
But this approach requires strong central guidance focused on people's health and the economy, and a population that plays along with the recommendations of their health experts, rather than protesting, finger pointing, playing the blame game, and spamming message boards, because solutions to contain a highly contagious disease only work when compliance is high.

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Where is there evidence that strong recommendation s to the populations in the US would not work? Why do people assume Americans are unwilling to do the right thing when given the chance. Most in Blue states were not given a chance, they were forced, disenfranchised and angered. Lost of trust is what officials recommend is the problem; nobody is going to believe a politicians that obviously has a political agenda and is telling people they need to accept the loss of their livelihood for the greater good. If in the beginning there had just been strong warnings, strong recommendations, tax incentives for businesses to take good measures, and ZERO forced shutdowns and ZERO official government restrictions, the outcomes would have been far far better. That is where this country failed, and now it is too late because the people don't trust what the politicians say anymore. It is too late; people are going to die no matter what we do.

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Do we still rely only on the PCR testing to give us cases/deaths? Is there any other metric that is actually reliable, trustworthy?
As it is, PCR testing is a complete clusterfvck.

https://www.icd10monitor.com/covid-19-testing-false-positives-are-definitely-a-negative

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macdaddy OG wrote:

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macdaddy OG wrote:

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why do you care? wrote:
I'll ask again even though you never respond: why do you care so much about the poors? Are you one of them?

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He doesn't care about the poor. He uses vulnerable populations - the poor, the abused, the mentally ill - as pawns, but has never contributed to their success before.

If he put half as much time into real world, tangible solutions compared to posting nonsense on letsrun, he might actually be a help to the world. Instead, he does this.

I truly hope the brojos post message board statistics for the year like they have in the past. This guy has spent DAYS on here. What a life.

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Allen.... any comment on this? Any work you've done for these populations lately?

Any comment on your obsessive posting? Looks like you're at it again today...

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absurd really? wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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absurd really? wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:
Meanwhile, here in New Zealand, where there was one nationwide lockdown for 5 weeks back in March/April (and a partial later lockdown in August in Auckland following a second localised outbreak) the disease has been eliminated in the community, with the loss of only 25 lives. Apart from international tourism, as the border remains closed, life has resumed without restriction. So how's it going for you guys, who rage against lockdowns?

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Are we really comparing New Zealand and the United States?

New Zealand is a small isolated island a thousand miles away from its closest neighbor with a population of five million people who has basically cut itself off from the rest of the world.

The United States is the third largest country in the world landmass wise with a population of 330 million people surrounded by countries many more times populated than New Zealand. Not to mention highly populated South and Central America right next door as well.

Such a useless comparison. You going to compare the United States & The Solomon Islands, which has a grand total of two COVID cases, next? How about we compare the US with Montserrat or Greenland?

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4% of the world's population; over 20% of its deaths. You're right - it's an invidious comparison. With pretty much anywhere.

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Sure. The US has not done a great job at containing COVID- although I would argue no similar country of the similar size & population has done great (Brazil, Russia, India, Mexico) Canada has done alright but it’s sparsely populated when compared to the US. Who the hell knows what China is doing/had to do to contain the virus.

But to hold up New Zealand as some model the US can follow is just absurd for all the reasons I stated. Might as well compare the US COVID situation to the COVID situation in the Solomon Islands or Fiji.

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macdaddy OG wrote:

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macdaddy OG wrote:

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macdaddy OG wrote:

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why do you care? wrote:
I'll ask again even though you never respond: why do you care so much about the poors? Are you one of them?

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He doesn't care about the poor. He uses vulnerable populations - the poor, the abused, the mentally ill - as pawns, but has never contributed to their success before.

If he put half as much time into real world, tangible solutions compared to posting nonsense on letsrun, he might actually be a help to the world. Instead, he does this.

I truly hope the brojos post message board statistics for the year like they have in the past. This guy has spent DAYS on here. What a life.

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Allen.... any comment on this? Any work you've done for these populations lately?

Any comment on your obsessive posting? Looks like you're at it again today...

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ALLEN..... another 10 posts from random twitter accounts, but you won't face the truth.

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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absurd really? wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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absurd really? wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:
Meanwhile, here in New Zealand, where there was one nationwide lockdown for 5 weeks back in March/April (and a partial later lockdown in August in Auckland following a second localised outbreak) the disease has been eliminated in the community, with the loss of only 25 lives. Apart from international tourism, as the border remains closed, life has resumed without restriction. So how's it going for you guys, who rage against lockdowns?

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Are we really comparing New Zealand and the United States?

New Zealand is a small isolated island a thousand miles away from its closest neighbor with a population of five million people who has basically cut itself off from the rest of the world.

The United States is the third largest country in the world landmass wise with a population of 330 million people surrounded by countries many more times populated than New Zealand. Not to mention highly populated South and Central America right next door as well.

Such a useless comparison. You going to compare the United States & The Solomon Islands, which has a grand total of two COVID cases, next? How about we compare the US with Montserrat or Greenland?

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4% of the world's population; over 20% of its deaths. You're right - it's an invidious comparison. With pretty much anywhere.

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Sure. The US has not done a great job at containing COVID- although I would argue no similar country of the similar size & population has done great (Brazil, Russia, India, Mexico) Canada has done alright but it’s sparsely populated when compared to the US. Who the hell knows what China is doing/had to do to contain the virus.

But to hold up New Zealand as some model the US can follow is just absurd for all the reasons I stated. Might as well compare the US COVID situation to the COVID situation in the Solomon Islands or Fiji.

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Are you really that ignorant? Those nations are tiny countries of a few hundred thousand; New Zealand has a population of 5 million - and is more comparable to Israel, Norway, Belgium, Finland or even Sweden - which is often held up as a model for the US. All have borders which control the flow of visitors - New Zealand is no different. In fact, before Covid it had a considerable annual influx of tourists, which accounts for 20% of it export earnings. The country has earned the accolades of the world's health experts for how it has responded to the pandemic, and recognition from the world's global business leaders. But don't let facts prise you from your ill-informed prejudices. The virus entered the US the same way as it did other countries; its failure has been in its utterly inadequate response once the virus was in the community. It continues to fail.

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macdaddy OG wrote:

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macdaddy OG wrote:

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macdaddy OG wrote:

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why do you care? wrote:
I'll ask again even though you never respond: why do you care so much about the poors? Are you one of them?

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He doesn't care about the poor. He uses vulnerable populations - the poor, the abused, the mentally ill - as pawns, but has never contributed to their success before.

If he put half as much time into real world, tangible solutions compared to posting nonsense on letsrun, he might actually be a help to the world. Instead, he does this.

I truly hope the brojos post message board statistics for the year like they have in the past. This guy has spent DAYS on here. What a life.

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Allen.... any comment on this? Any work you've done for these populations lately?

Any comment on your obsessive posting? Looks like you're at it again today...

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ALLEN..... another 10 posts from random twitter accounts, but you won't face the truth.

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Allen53 wrote:
Oh I'm facing the truth alright- what you support is mass killing- those are facts- here's another "random tweet":
https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1316381998345146369

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rekrunner wrote:

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Allen53 wrote:
Oh I'm facing the truth alright- what you support is mass killing- those are facts- here's another "random tweet":
https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1316381998345146369

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Nobody supports mass killings.

Dems don't want mass lockdowns either.

They listen to the CDC and WHO, who are saying lockdowns are not the primary tool to control the spread.

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rekrunner wrote:

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Lead Foil Hat 2 wrote:

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rekrunner wrote:
Sweden, once they shored up their nursing home deaths, looks like a pretty good option now.
But this approach requires strong central guidance focused on people's health and the economy, and a population that plays along with the recommendations of their health experts, rather than protesting, finger pointing, playing the blame game, and spamming message boards, because solutions to contain a highly contagious disease only work when compliance is high.

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Where is there evidence that strong recommendation s to the populations in the US would not work? Why do people assume Americans are unwilling to do the right thing when given the chance. Most in Blue states were not given a chance, they were forced, disenfranchised and angered. Lost of trust is what officials recommend is the problem; nobody is going to believe a politicians that obviously has a political agenda and is telling people they need to accept the loss of their livelihood for the greater good. If in the beginning there had just been strong warnings, strong recommendations, tax incentives for businesses to take good measures, and ZERO forced shutdowns and ZERO official government restrictions, the outcomes would have been far far better. That is where this country failed, and now it is too late because the people don't trust what the politicians say anymore. It is too late; people are going to die no matter what we do.

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There are two parts to this that are missing:
1) Strong recommendation
2) Compliance

The first part (in the US) is simply non-existent, with mixed messaging coming from the top.
The evidence for the second part can be found everywhere, viral videos of individual protests in Walmart, and other public places and also threads like this in letsrun: the strong resistance to obvious and simple measures such as large indoor gatherings and mask wearing, that have worked in other countries.

You may have a point that with a strong and coordinated and consistent and honest messaging from the politicians, as early as January, we could have avoided lockdowns, had less spread (and deaths) with a smaller impact on the economy.

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rekrunner wrote:

Nobody supports mass killings.

Dems don't want mass lockdowns either.

They listen to the CDC and WHO, who are saying lockdowns are not the primary tool to control the spread.

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Beware the 3rd wave of Covid-19 testing.These tests have major issues with false positives caused by high cycle thresholds which then have "downstream" impacts on all other CV19 data.Remember that when you see panicked stories about cases, outbreaks, and hospitalizations.

https://twitter.com/OBusybody/status/1316467403694448647

covid panics have become as regular & predictable as moon phases or cicadasas we're coming back into the "mistaking more testing for more cases" part of the cycle, let's see if we can get ahead of the fear here:the blue line is reported cases, green adjusts for more testing

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1310219213475323905

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Lead Foil Hat 2 wrote:
It is really convenient that this stupid chart starts after the pandemic was essentially over after so many thousands were slaughtered in Blue states. This is the definition of misleading data/propaganda. Most of these cases are healthy people showing no symptoms but tested positive because these states were more responsible and implemented broader testing strategies which included the testing of more healthy people.

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Allen53 wrote:
The other patients & staff should have been treated with hydroxychloraquine zinc and zithro.
Treatments avail & not used.[/i]

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