That's sad that you're calling your slavery your freedom, exactly as written by George Orwell.
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The mantra of the new world order which you and others like you obey:
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War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
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2600 bro wrote:
No. They are letting you in as a favor. They do not have to.
You cannot force someone to allow you on their property. End of story.
You specifically quoted the ADA earlier too! LMAO! Can’t even stay consistent!!
Stop taking MY FREEDOMS!
Dunesrunner is an enemy of the American Institution ????
That's actually false.
You might wish to look into the legal aspects of what businesses are obligated towards. Another example of your blissful ignorance.
Businesses do not get to decide who to let in and who must stay out except in litigated circumstances. You can look into the details but you won't. -
You're probably right and businesses will just amend their warning signs to say; "no shoes, no shirt, no mask, no service." I think masks will be permanent here on out. It'll be a part of the American everyday life.
The vaccine will probably not provide the sufficient protection that people are hoping for, therefore, the government will merely order people to wear masks in addition to any vaccines for the added protection.
And since the masks seem to have reduced the influzena cases this year, the government will order masks to be worn during the flu season anyway - so they'll keep it simple and just make it a year round mandate.
It's the "Great Reset" and "Medical Cartel" takeover of the world governments fueled by the terrifying fear of an invisible enemy.
There's even a music video out now about the "no shoes, no shirt, no mask, no service" for people to adhere to when patronizing a business:
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Dunesy please defend yourself - my nights are boring without you <3
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Allen53 wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
No. They are letting you in as a favor. They do not have to.
You cannot force someone to allow you on their property. End of story.
You specifically quoted the ADA earlier too! LMAO! Can’t even stay consistent!!
Stop taking MY FREEDOMS!
Dunesrunner is an enemy of the American Institution ????
That's actually false.
You might wish to look into the legal aspects of what businesses are obligated towards. Another example of your blissful ignorance.
Businesses do not get to decide who to let in and who must stay out except in litigated circumstances. You can look into the details but you won't.
Businesses have the right to refuse service, especially for reasons of health and hygiene. -
dunes runner wrote:
Just dropping in to remind you of the time you said “I don’t use shopping carts that the stores clean with dangerous cleaning supplies. Instead, I grab carts that have been previously used”
As if the other carts cleaning solution just magically disappears ???
Your takes are hilarious. Please keep them coming! -
I'm with dunes and I do the same thing.
At least a cart that's dry is much better than one that's dripping wet and gets the solution all over your hands.
Even with gloves, I wouldn't want that wet stuff all over my hands. -
In terms of life-years lost, we see that Lockdowns have caused dramatically more human suffering than has Covid as a disease.
Analogous to a company driving uber-productivity from non-exempt workers - yet failing to capture the cost in terms of lives destroyed in the process.
https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1319733780681232385 -
Weird... most of my posts claiming that Allen53 and dunes are specifically against the right to private property are deleted?
This is an important point! Why have virus deniers convinced themselves they have a right to use other people's property? The clash of ideologies inside their heard must be borderline explosive!
rekrunner wrote:
Allen53 wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
No. They are letting you in as a favor. They do not have to.
You cannot force someone to allow you on their property. End of story.
You specifically quoted the ADA earlier too! LMAO! Can’t even stay consistent!!
Stop taking MY FREEDOMS!
Dunesrunner is an enemy of the American Institution ????
That's actually false.
You might wish to look into the legal aspects of what businesses are obligated towards. Another example of your blissful ignorance.
Businesses do not get to decide who to let in and who must stay out except in litigated circumstances. You can look into the details but you won't.
Businesses have the right to refuse service, especially for reasons of health and hygiene. -
WHO says it to poor countries
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Again you keep right on lying and calling people names.
What, they removed your post and then you keep posting the same things again.
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Personally I think the moderators are too easy on you, because you should be banned for that.
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It's quite telling, that the people trying to force everyone to wear masks are the same ones who's only argument is lying, calling other people names, and in many cases threatening violence. -
2600 bro wrote:
Weird... most of my posts claiming that Allen53 and dunes are specifically against the right to private property ...?
I'm not getting how "Costco" can be considered "public accommodations".
Can you go into "Costco" at night? How is that legally possible that business owners can lock the doors preventing access to this public accomodation?
Supermarkets won't let you shop without a shirt or shoes for hygenic and public health reasons. There is a precedent for enforcing mask wearing, also for health reasons.
Gyms won't let me in if I haven't paid. Nor will cinemas, pools, toll roads, etc.
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A business may be privately owned but it becomes a place of public accommodation if they're engaged in commerce with the public. That's why they're required to get a business license - which allows them to sell goods & services to the general public. And since they're classified as a place of public accommodation by the Federal Government, then strictly defined discrimination laws come into play where a business can not discriminate due to race, color, religion, national origin or disabilities.
rekrunner wrote:
I'm not getting how "Costco" can be considered "public accommodations".
Can you go into "Costco" at night? How is that legally possible that business owners can lock the doors preventing access to this public accomodation?
Supermarkets won't let you shop without a shirt or shoes for hygenic and public health reasons. There is a precedent for enforcing mask wearing, also for health reasons.
Gyms won't let me in if I haven't paid. Nor will cinemas, pools, toll roads, etc.
It would seem that business owners do have extensive rights to determine who gets to enjoy services they offer.
The not wearing of a mask falls under the disability area (ADA - title 3). My understanding, for example, is if someone has a breathing issues where a mask makes it more difficult to breath, that could be claimed as a disability. If a woman was sexually or physically abuse where a facial covering (scarf, handkerchief, bandana, etc.) was used in the acts causing emotional trauma, and the woman experiences PTSD if any face covering is place on her that could also be claimed as a disability.
Because disabilities can be for physiological or psychological reasons and are a broad spectrum, they're not clearly defined by the ADA - title 3. The ADA also says the reasons for the disability do not have to be disclosed. So, a business owner can not ask the customer what specically their disability is for not wearing a mask (using the example of woman abused, she wouldn't have to disclose the fact that she was sexually or physically abuse with a facial covering forced on her face).
Mike Singer has done about as thorough research on this subject as one can do. On his site, you'll find the ADA title 3 law as well as complete explanation on how it applies to not wearing a mask for personal health or psychological reasons.
https://thebigvirushoax.com/face-mask-dangers-%26-law
So, it looks like dunes was right all along and is well researched. -
Let's dig deeper into this wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
I'm not getting how "Costco" can be considered "public accommodations".
Can you go into "Costco" at night? How is that legally possible that business owners can lock the doors preventing access to this public accomodation?
Supermarkets won't let you shop without a shirt or shoes for hygenic and public health reasons. There is a precedent for enforcing mask wearing, also for health reasons.
Gyms won't let me in if I haven't paid. Nor will cinemas, pools, toll roads, etc.
It would seem that business owners do have extensive rights to determine who gets to enjoy services they offer.
A business may be privately owned but it becomes a place of public accommodation if they're engaged in commerce with the public. That's why they're required to get a business license - which allows them to sell goods & services to the general public. And since they're classified as a place of public accommodation by the Federal Government, then strictly defined discrimination laws come into play where a business can not discriminate due to race, color, religion, national origin or disabilities.
The not wearing of a mask falls under the disability area (ADA - title 3). My understanding, for example, is if someone has a breathing issues where a mask makes it more difficult to breath, that could be claimed as a disability. If a woman was sexually or physically abuse where a facial covering (scarf, handkerchief, bandana, etc.) was used in the acts causing emotional trauma, and the woman experiences PTSD if any face covering is place on her that could also be claimed as a disability.
Because disabilities can be for physiological or psychological reasons and are a broad spectrum, they're not clearly defined by the ADA - title 3. The ADA also says the reasons for the disability do not have to be disclosed. So, a business owner can not ask the customer what specically their disability is for not wearing a mask (using the example of woman abused, she wouldn't have to disclose the fact that she was sexually or physically abuse with a facial covering forced on her face).
Mike Singer has done about as thorough research on this subject as one can do. On his site, you'll find the ADA title 3 law as well as complete explanation on how it applies to not wearing a mask for personal health or psychological reasons.
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So, it looks like dunes was right all along and is well researched.
Mask mandates usually exclude those with a medical condition that causes breathing difficulties. It's not credible or honest for healthy people to claim a breathing disability -- you need to be disabled when you don't wear a mask.
You cannot just self-declare yourself as disabled -- you need to qualify:
"To be protected by the ADA, one must have a disability, which is defined by the ADA as a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities, a person who has a history or record of such an impairment, or a person who is perceived by others as having such an impairment.
If the disability claim could not stand up in a federal court, the business owners would be well within their legal rights to refuse service to these physically healthy customers.
Furthermore, "dunes runner" says everyone can claim they are disabled. If that is the case, and business owners allow some of the disabled to access their business, and not others, you cannot even claim discrimination based on a disability.
It seems premature to say "well researched", particularly if the research is limited to sites like "bigvirushoax" or "lockdownsceptics". For someone who likes to quote "experts", here you reject all of the experts at the WHO and CDC in favor of Mike Singer, the music teacher. -
rekrunner wrote:
"dunes runner" says everyone can claim they are disabled. If that is the case, and business owners allow some of the disabled to access their business, and not others, you cannot even claim discrimination based on a disability.
As usual, "rek runner" avoids the main issues, which are that the WHO and CDC are corrupt and that a covid19 virus has never been isolated from contaminated human and other types of genetic material. In fact contaminated material was ADDED to their samples before they tested and didn't find a virus, but called the contaminated material a virus, which it wasn't.
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Also I never said that everyone can claim they're disabled. Personally I think that "rek runner" is disabled because he is lacking in comprehension and discernment.
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If anyone wants to know what I think or believe, then ASK me and see what I say, and/or look to see what I have said previously. The "rek runner / 2600 bro" view of the world is not MY view, and they have no understanding of my views. Even when they see it in print, they have to change it to their own and call names, because they have no understanding of their own - which is perhaps why they blindly follow the guidelines of eugenicists and vaccination corporations. -
Also, "rec runner / 2600 bro" keep calling me names and ascribing my beliefs to some certain ideology, of which I don't even know what it is - nor do I follow nor ascribe myself to any certain ideology,
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This is again an attempt on his part to change the subject from the issues at hand, i.e. whether there's a real virus that's been isolated from contaminated material - which there hasn't - to name calling and obedience to their WHO and Bill Gates / oligarch masters, of which - because their minds are closed to the truth - I have no interested in discussing with them.
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If we can get back to the facts of there not being a covid19 virus that's ever been found, and all the made up fake statistics and there being no reason for mask wearing and lockdowns, then that would be a more worthwhile discussion, but not with people like "rec runner / 2600 bro" who only name call and make up false accusations instead of being able to think for themselves. -
Let's dig deeper into this wrote:
A business may be privately owned but it becomes a place of public accommodation if they're engaged in commerce with the public.
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So, it looks like dunes was right all along and is well researched.
Thank you for the excellent summary!
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It should be pointed out that often businesses do NOT own the private property that they're on,
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dunes runner wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
"dunes runner" says everyone can claim they are disabled. If that is the case, and business owners allow some of the disabled to access their business, and not others, you cannot even claim discrimination based on a disability.
As usual, "rek runner" avoids the main issues, which are that the WHO and CDC are corrupt and that a covid19 virus has never been isolated from contaminated human and other types of genetic material. In fact contaminated material was ADDED to their samples before they tested and didn't find a virus, but called the contaminated material a virus, which it wasn't.
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Also I never said that everyone can claim they're disabled. Personally I think that "rek runner" is disabled because he is lacking in comprehension and discernment.
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If anyone wants to know what I think or believe, then ASK me and see what I say, and/or look to see what I have said previously. The "rek runner / 2600 bro" view of the world is not MY view, and they have no understanding of my views. Even when they see it in print, they have to change it to their own and call names, because they have no understanding of their own - which is perhaps why they blindly follow the guidelines of eugenicists and vaccination corporations.
I did not call you names.
I responded to a comment about the rights of business owners -- I don't need to respond to what you think the main issues really are.
It's true you did not say "disabled" -- I apologize for putting that word in your mouth. You said: "there are exemptions for people who don't wear a mask for health reasons, which includes you and me and everyone else who chooses not to wear one".
If you are not claiming a disability, then you are not protected by the ADA, and the business owners have the right to refuse to serve you, and you would have no real recourse under the law.
Generally speaking, I'm not particularly interested to know what you think or believe, and will stick to responding to what you chose to share with us here.
Speaking of not knowing what I think, due to lacking in comprehension and discernment, it's oddly curious you think I blindly follow eugenicists and vaccination corporations. Social distancing and mask wearing do not involve eugenics nor vaccines. I haven't actually given much thought to eugenics ("selective breeding"? and "compulsory sterilization"?), but I am generally in favor of vaccines which give immunity to certain serious diseases. -
rekrunner wrote:
If you are not claiming a disability, then you are not protected by the ADA
I never said that I was, so again you are misrepresenting what I said.
rekrunner wrote:
the business owners have the right to refuse to serve you, and you would have no real recourse under the law.
Again, no they do not. Ethnicity is not a disability, and business owners don't have the right to discriminate on the basis of ethnicity, nor because of how someone looks, or anything else that falls under the definition of discrimination, such as trying to force someone to wear a filthy breathing restricting diaper on their face in order to shop. They are not allowed to do that.
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If you think you're right, then why are the stores allowing me to shop with no mask? All of them have big signs in front that masks are required for shopping, and yet they let me right in and don't say a word to me. Why is that? Out of the kindness of their hearts? Or because they know that they don't have the right to prevent me from shopping.
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I don't really care which one it is, as long as I'm able to get the shopping done that I need to do and to not be hassled by virtue signaling irrational people wearing diapers on their faces. -
2600 bro wrote:
You can be kicked off private property for any reason at any time
Again you're confusing public accommodations with private property.
Trying to make sense with someone like you is like trying to make sense with a drunk.
