Other guy wrote:
How long can the media convince people that there is an incredibly infectious and deadly disease among us?
Indefinitely?
I guess you can feel some of the people all of the time.
The media?
You can feel some of the people?
Other guy wrote:
How long can the media convince people that there is an incredibly infectious and deadly disease among us?
Indefinitely?
I guess you can feel some of the people all of the time.
The media?
You can feel some of the people?
Netherlands doctors tell truth about Covid - "This is a regular flu"
https://twitter.com/EatlovePray11/status/1316778274983419904
rekrunner wrote:
I have seen nothing in this thread or others, that have given me any reason
In that regard, I have to agree with you.
Charts at link below.
We don't have a Covid crisis - we have a public information crisis.
That's my conclusion, after reviewing the latest mortality data from Ireland.
Here are my updated and extended charts.???
Please retweet to help get the word out.
Firstly, remember that "Covid-19 deaths" includes people who died of other things.
Leo Varadkar:
"We counted all deaths, in all settings, suspected cases even when no lab test was done, and included people with underlying terminal illnesses who died with Covid but not of it."
Secondly, take a look at the unadjusted all-cause mortality data (with thanks to @Thorgwen).
You'll note that April 2020 (based on deaths registered so far) is comparable to flu months in January 2017 and January 2018.
Year-to-date registrations so far, up to June, look normal.
Now I'm going to make two important adjustments, as I've done before.
First, I adjust for expected late registrations. In the interest of transparency, you can see my forecast below.
Second, I adjust for the growing population (it's also ageing, but I don't adjust for this).
We can now say with even more certainty that April 2020 was about as bad as January in a harsh winter.
Competing explanations for the deaths sadly witnessed in April: Covid-19, major disruption to the health service and care homes, and two mild winter seasons preceeding it.
Let's take the mild January this year into account, and look at year-to-date deaths to May.
From this perspective, 2020 mortality is about the same as 2018 and very similar to both 2015 and 2016.
Is the hysterical media coverage of death this year justified by the reality?
And if we include what looks like a very mild June 2020, then we are left with an almost perfectly average year.
Note that 2019 is the outlier year, not 2020. H1 2019 was remarkably mild.
More evidence that there was an unusually large cohort of vulnerable people in early 2020.
Now let's prove that the official Covid-19 death toll is wrong simply by excluding all Covid-19 deaths from the previous charts.
When you do this, you get record low mortality in 2020.
In the context of the severe disruption to the health service, this doesn't make any sense.
CONCLUSIONS:
The official Covid-19 death toll does not make sense.
Mild winters and health service disruption can explain much of the spike in April.
Low mortality in June might reflect the age profile of those who sadly passed in April.
Overall mortality in 2020 is normal
Thank you for your hard work, Allen.
Keep at it. The truth will prevail.
Allen53 wrote:
Charts at link below.
We don't have a Covid crisis - we have a public information crisis.
That's my conclusion, after reviewing the latest mortality data from Ireland.
...
Part of the reason for the public misinformation comes from the volume of posts like yours that assume all internet published analyses and conclusions are legitimate.
In this case, someone published an analysis looking at death rates in Ireland.
First I will note that death rates in Ireland were not particularly high in April 2020 because Ireland was not one of the hotspots in Europe.
He dismisses April 2020 as anything unusual because it is about as high as the peak months of January 2017 and 2018. Yet his own data shows the death toll in Ireland is +/- 1000 higher than April in all other years, representing about a 40% increase more than normal.
He offers a competing hypothesis but doesn't subject his hypothesis to the same level of analysis, nor does he investigate the January peaks for context.
The bigger issue is that Ireland is a small country, which may not reflect what happens in the rest of the world. The "hype" about COVID is because it is a global pandemic, not an Irish national epidemic.
Can we do a similar analysis on Spain, or Italy, or Belgium, or New York?
Could we apply the same rationalizations, and would we arrive at the same conclusions?
dunes runner wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
I have seen nothing in this thread or others, that have given me any reason to doubt that the recommendations from the CDC and from the WHO are the best science based recommendations ...
In that regard, I have to agree with you.
Thanks for your honest appraisal and concession.
rekrunner wrote:
When I was a young engineer working in an aerospace company
Could have fooled me - I thought maybe you were an attorney who represents athletes in doping cases. ?
rekrunner wrote:
But it appears fundamentally Americans have to chose between a candidate that cares about Americans, and a president who cares about himself.
Buckaro Biden caring about Americans? Lol. He wants a national mask mandate, national lockdowns and more restrictions imposed on businesses! That's crazy - where in the Constitution does it say the government can decide what is an essential business and what is a non-essential business? Where does it say in the Constitution that government is obligated to protect people against viruses at the expense of destroying the livelihoods of people by closing businesses and prohibiting people from working with oppressive stay-at-home orders?
As I told you before, only one (1) governor honored the Constitution & Bill of Rights by not issuing any executive orders locking down the state last spring. And as cases rise and the MSM is screaming at the top of their lungs that the end of the world is near in this state, South Dakota govenor Kristi Noem continues to honor the nation's most precious document:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/south-dakota-gov-kristi-noem-lockdowns-useless-states/story?id=73451385And because most people still like freedom and not having tyrannical govenors controlling their lives, they're moving to South Dakota like crazy!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.keloland.com/news/your-money-matters/realtors-seeing-rush-of-relocations-to-south-dakota-amid-pandemic/amp/Let Freedom Ring.....
4.05am Sunday morning.
Hysterical phone call from my business partners 20yr old daughter. ‘Dad’s dead’. She’d been out late with her boyfriend & come home to find her Dad hanging in the hallway.
I’m totally numb. We set up in business in Jan 2019 making parts for racing motorcycle engines. £50k between us, most of our life’s savings. £350k from government & private investors. When covid came along the contracts we had one by one started being broken by the people we were supplying.
On Friday the business folded leaving 12 staff with no pay. We put everything into this, it was the product of our lifetimes experience.
My business partner was the strongest, toughest businessman that I’d ever met. I was the ‘boffin’, I had the ‘knowledge’…
I’m numb. Can’t even cry. Two of my ex-forces friends have already committed suicide this year. Both my young kids were diagnosed with depression last month.
I’m not going to do anything stupid, that’s not me but I don’t know where I’m going to find the strength to help Dave’s daughter.
So it’s personal now, actually it always was but I, like so many others, had just been trying to survive. I thought that I knew what hate meant but I’m just beginning to realise that I knew nothing about what it really meant.
From:
https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/19/latest-news-167/#comments
Another Covid lie dispelled by, you guessed it, ACTUAL DATA:
https://sentinelksmo.org/hospital-capacity-data-contradicts-bursting-at-seams-headline/
rekrunner wrote:
I have seen nothing in this thread or others, that have given me any reason
dunes runner wrote:
In that regard, I have to agree with you.
rekrunner wrote:
Thanks for your honest appraisal and concession.
You're quite welcome.
I think you tend to fool yourself.
"He wants a national mask mandate, national lockdowns and more restrictions imposed on businesses" -- These look like distortions of the truth, but even so, this sounds like someone who cares about Americans.
You seem to be a bit confused by the role and scope of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
It does not control individual state affairs (states have their own constitutions), nor does it discuss businesses, or grant any businesses any special status or protection.
As a side note, businesses exist solely by the grace of government, who have granted businesses things like special exemptions from responsibility, special access to public resources, and temporary monopolies. Governments not only have the right, but they are the only entity that has the right to decide what happens with respect to businesses.
I think there is also no controversy between what is considered essential business and non-essential business.
Historically speaking, past presidents and Congress and founding fathers have generally argued and assumed, since the creation of the Constitution, that it is the role of the executive, and more generally the government, to defend and protect its citizens from national threats.
Normally it would not fall to the state governors to defend our nation from national threats, but the current US president did not accept this traditional responsibility. Trump abdicated and explicitly repeatedly assigned this responsibility to the state governors. And he initially deferred to the individual state governors the responsibility to decide how and when to re-open after the initial lockdown once federal guidelines were issued.
It seems a little twisted now to blame the state governors for acts that the US President empowered them to decide.
You did tell me before that state executive orders violated the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It sounds like nonsense now and as well as nonsense then. You are mixing up a federal document which defines and limits the powers of the federal government, with the actions of state governors concerning state affairs outside the scope of these federal documents. If not, I'm curious to know exactly which actions and which parts of the Constitution and/or Bill of Rights was violated by these actions of state governors.
You also seem to have comeback to lockdowns as if there were any dispute or disagreement. I'm not in favor of lockdowns. I think we would have done better with the Swedish model. As we learned in the original post in this thread, no one is recommending lockdowns as a primary means of controlling the virus. Lockdowns are an extreme measure of last resort, when early warnings were not acted on, or when primary means have failed to control the spread. Even then the lockdowns should be limited in size, and in time.
Another side note: the COVID case count in South Dakota is rapidly increasing.
Here is some AP News fact checking, debunking any notion that the WHO stance on lockdowns has changed:
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-ap-fact-check-donald-trump-united-nations-284a37c388ff9ad8f8b609fcfb9ce70fdunes runner wrote:
rekrunner writes:
I have seen nothing in this thread or others, that have given me any reason to doubt that the recommendations from the CDC and from the WHO are the best science based recommendations ...
dunes runner wrote:
In that regard, I have to agree with you.
rekrunner wrote:
Thanks for your honest appraisal and concession.
You're quite welcome.
Thanking you for honesty only applies only when you remain honest.
What a freaking joke. This guy is still allowed to post blatant falsehoods and misinformation. You and others like you continue to make it hard for the rest of us to return to anything resembling normalcy.
Circus Clowns wrote:
You and others like you continue to make it hard for the rest of us to return to anything resembling normalcy.
I'll make it easy for you.
Take off your mask. Go to work. Stop social distancing.
Meet with people whenever you like. Stop pretending there's a dangerous virus.
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dunes runner wrote:
Circus Clowns wrote:
You and others like you continue to make it hard for the rest of us to return to anything resembling normalcy.
I'll make it easy for you.
Take off your mask. Go to work. Stop social distancing.
Meet with people whenever you like. Stop pretending there's a dangerous virus.
Would love to.
But would face arrest and the incessant whining and screaming of those who have fallen for this campaign of lies sold via fear.
You know that