5000 and 10000 world records, it almost doesn’t get much better than that, so does this mean that Bekele is not the goat anymore? Bekele never had marathon wr and yet he secured almost unanimous goat recognition, so now that Cheptegei has the records, is he the goat? Or does he need one more record for a true changing of the guard, like perhaps the 3000m, or half or full marathon. I think Olympic gold is so in the bag it’s not even worth talking about, but would that be enough?
Yeah he just needs the 5000/10000 Olympic gold double.
3000m runner wrote:
Yeah he just needs the 5000/10000 Olympic gold double.
It’s about how many of these he can get.
All Time Distance GOAT Checklist-
5k/10k/THON WRs
5k/10k Olympic Natty Double Gold
Cross Country World Natty Champ
NCAA Triple Crown(XC/Indoor/Outdoor)
NCAA NATTY Natural Distance Triple(Steeple/5k/10k)
Sub 3:50 Mile
Sub 3:30 1500
Top LRC Thread Count
Chep’s Dream Future
2021: Double Olympic Gold, World XC
2022: Double WC Gold, World Half, 2Mile WR
2023: Double WC Gold, World XC, 3000 WR
2024: Double Olympic Gold, World Half
2025: Double WC Gold, skips XC for London
2026: Half WR in spring, Berlin WR in fall
2027: Double WC Gold, World XC
2028: Triple Olympic Gold 5/10/Marathon
PRs by 2028
1500: 3:32.5 (2022)
OneM: 3:50.2 (2022)
3000: 7:19 (2023)
TwoM: 7:56 (2022)
5000: 12:32 (2023)
10000: 26:05 (2024)
half: 57:15 (2026)
full: 1:59:37 (2026)
3000m runner wrote:
Yeah he just needs the 5000/10000 Olympic gold double.
Join the Lasse Viren club! Bekele was 2nd in the Athens 5000 m to El Guerroj--otherwise he would have the double double also...
3000m runner wrote:
Yeah he just needs the 5000/10000 Olympic gold double.
He needs this but I think he needs more than this, even if it’s just years of amassing accolades running at a slightly lower level than in the last two.
The quickest route to arguable GOAT status would be winning the world half in a sub-58 WR, then breaking the 3k WR and winning the Olympic 5k/10k double in dominant fashion next year.
He is still very far from ever being as good as Bekele or even Henry Rono
Goat means more than one successful go around at the Olympics. If he can pull off a double double like Mo Farah in addition to another world record I’d say he’s a lock
To answer the posted question:
Not get busted.
Anyone that becomes the new GOAT in T&F events has to displace a previous doper.
Bekele doubled in XC twice, winning 11 chips along the way. Chep needs a very dominant and long career to be in the discussion.
When there was an xc champs every year with a short and long course. Now it's just one event every 2 years or even 3 due to corona. So Bekele's 11 are surpassed by 3 xc golds in our times.
We're only making plans, for Nigel. We only want what's best for him. We're only making plans, for Nigel. Nigel just needs that helping hand.
Joshua will never be Bekele. Joshua is taking a dump on this sport and has more EPO upstairs then there is sugar on a candy cane
Probably just be able to outkick some fools in a tactical championship race. Is he a championship runner or is a he just a push-from-the-gun time trialer?
Banana Bread wrote:
We're only making plans, for Nigel. We only want what's best for him. We're only making plans, for Nigel. Nigel just needs that helping hand.
Joshua will never be Bekele. Joshua is taking a dump on this sport and has more EPO upstairs then there is sugar on a candy cane
shaddap. if chep is on drugs, you know bekele was too.
Banana Bread wrote:
We're only making plans, for Nigel. We only want what's best for him. We're only making plans, for Nigel. Nigel just needs that helping hand.
Joshua will never be Bekele. Joshua is taking a dump on this sport and has more EPO upstairs then there is sugar on a candy cane
everyone knows bekele was doped up to his fu**ing face
Cheptegei is the FOAT but it takes a portfolio of accomplishments to be the GOAT.
Every world-record holder is the fastest of all time, but few of them do we consider to be among the greatest.
Geb, Tergat, Bekele, and Kipchoge all have their place in the discussion because of longevity, WR's, championship titles, competition, diversity of events, among other things.
Break Komen's 3k record.
It's not all, but the FIRST thing he MUST do is repeat the performances with the lights off.
I say he can't. Probably won't even try.
To surpass the greatness of Kenenisa Bekele is not an easy feat, but Joshua Cheptegei certainly has a shot at doing so. He already has the track world records and looks likely to win many medals in the coming years. It is difficult to say whether his collection of 5000 and 10,000m medals will match that of Bekele’s, but I’m sure it will be close. For the 10,000m championship races, I think he will be close to unbeatable, but I feel as if he will struggle a little more in the 5000m because his finishing speed is not as great as some other athletes he will be racing against. There is also cross country. In this event, Bekele’s accomplishments are unlikely to be surpassed anytime soon. Of course he had more opportunities than Cheptegei will be given, but to win the short course and long course on back to back days for 5 years straight is something extraordinary that will likely never be replicated. That being said, Cheptegei is a fantastic cross country runner in his own right and there is no reason to believe that he will not add another world title or two in this event. Lastly, as far as road running goes, I’d definitely give the advantage to Cheptegei. He has already excelled on the roads, setting world records for the 5k, 10k (which has since been broken by Rhône’s Kipruto), and 15k. He is more of a strength based runner than Bekele, and his efficiency appears to make him an excellent prospect for both the half marathon (an event that Bekele never gave a real go) and the marathon (an event where Bekele has run some epic races but also struggled for consistency in). Cheptegei seems to have a focus on what he wants to achieve in a similar manner to Eliud Kipchoge. He has the talent and the work ethic, but only time will tell if he will have a more successful career than the great Kenenisa Bekele.
2021: Double Olympic Gold 5000 and 10000
2022: Double WC Gold 5000 and 10000
2023: Double WC Gold 5000 and 10000
2024: Double Olympic Gold 5000 and 10000
The above would make him the GOAT in my opinion. If he adds a marathon WR or Olympic gold medal, so much the better.
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