Doped for sure but I reckon Houligan is just as doped but less talented.
Doped for sure but I reckon Houligan is just as doped but less talented.
Cheptegei Fan wrote:
he THRASHED the world record and could have gone even faster!
How?
In cycling fans just accepted that all the main contenders were doping but were just hoping it would be more limited and still leave room for human performance. Microdoping.
Rojo or someone wrote:
LRC note: This thread was restored as LetsRun.com believes discussion and even speculation about doping leads to a cleaner sport
You're wrong about this. There's nothing to be gained from unrestrained baseless speculation.
Man, today was a clown show. Absolutely nothing is believable anymore in 5K+ running.
Just follow NCAA level and below and ignore this garbage.
How about an educated hypothesis based on long experience with this topic?
And here is an idea. If you are going to run an insane time that soundly beats the times of other known dopers, at least pretend you broke a sweat and that it was tough. Seen too many epo superman performances in my time not to know what I am looking at.
They gave the Nobel Prize for chemistry to the wrong candidates.
It's his running form. He might suffer inside but his form stays smooth. I have similar thing - I might feel pain inside me burning when racing but others around say that it looks like I'm cruising in training with no effort. The only difference is that I'm 3.5 minutes slower per 5k then Chep.
https://youtu.be/Pr0dWz_6oEIremote wrote:
Very suspicious....
Elliott looks pretty fresh after his WR in the 1960 Olympic 1500 final.
my 2c wrote:
Rojo or someone wrote:
LRC note: This thread was restored as LetsRun.com believes discussion and even speculation about doping leads to a cleaner sport
You're wrong about this. There's nothing to be gained from unrestrained baseless speculation.
Agreed. This does nothing but harm the sport. Even if he was doping, without proof, you are encouraging trial by media.
H'm. Let's take a trip down memory lane. In 1997 two runner from China came out of no where to break the 5K world record. It was subsequently revealed that the two runners, Dong Yanmei and Jiang Bo, were the subjects of a compulsory doping program.
Next there was Elvan Abeylegesse, who set a new 5k record in 2004. Of course she was banned for doping, banned and stripped of multiple medals.
Next we have Tirunesh Dibaba who broke the record in 2008. Her coach was arrested in an anti-doping operation, an arrest that magically got brushed under the table.
That is just the 5K and that is a lot of doping. You can do the same thing at virtually every distance. In a sport where the doping controls are pitiful. And as the case of China shows, where multiple WRs were suddenly set due to doping, doping is very effective. turning mules into race horses as the saying goes.
So sorry, but the burden of proof is not on the critics noting that a record previously set by a string of dopers was just thoroughly beaten to show that it was not clean. The burden is rather on those claiming it was clean. No reason to think doping was not involved. Again.
All top athletes dope,and many second and third tier athletes,as well.Sadly,most of them get away with it,and many are protected.EPO steroids hgh and all different concoctions of these are as prevelent today as they have ever been.
Maybe the shoes are worth .25s / lap. Maybe the lights moving at a perfectly even pace make the pacers effectiveness better and the runner can follow the lights without the pace drifting.
USADA announced that they would be testing less because of COVID19. While other anti doping authorities may not have announced it, they probably did less testing. It is the training time where the juice works the best. It is easy to get off of it a few weeks before a known test and pass. Not that Cheptegi or Gidey did that.
We've merged too threads together as we don't like two threads on the same topic. The other thread was entitled, "Cheptegi didn't look very tired at the end"
remote wrote:
Very suspicious....
It takes a weak mind from an athlete who doesn't believe in himself/herself to believe that doping would help achieve distance world records, and a weak body to justify the need for doping in the first place.
It is unlikely that an athlete of weak mind and weak body could set the world record from a strong world record like Bekele's and Dibaba's.
Meanwhie in the 1990s Chinese runners suddenly set multiple distance wrs solely due to doping.
bjornesmag wrote:
Why aren’t they? Doesn’t it mean that they could have run even faster (and fall down on the ground like I always do after a race)?
No...
think of your very best performances, were you falling down then? After all my PR's I have felt great.
In a distance race, you're on a knife edge balancing maximum efficient oxygen use without excess carbon dioxide production. The latter narrows blood vessels and leads to "bonk." If you finish in bad shape, odds are you underperformed. One of the important things elites master is the understanding of this.
Among the other most important things, of course, is the understanding that blood cell density is the limiting factor in oxygen transport, and the training process (and yes, drugs) that produce an elite-level bloodstream and running-body combo. NOP focused, publicly at least, mostly on the body end.
What's the WADA record on Cheptegei's random tests? Are they doing much of anything in the "virus year?"
astro wrote:
How about an educated hypothesis based on long experience with this topic?
How about it? It would be a welcome change.
Cheptegei Fan wrote:
The man is a class above anyone else! You can't blame his shoes, he THRASHED the world record and could have gone even faster! Kenenisa who?
Kenenisa IRanMyWorldRecordsWithoutAnythingEnsuringThatIRanTheRightPaceAndIAlsoDidn'tHaveSupershoes
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
2017 World 800 champ Pierre-Ambroise Bosse banned 1 year for whereabouts failures