Official Hengelo Discussion Thread: Kipyegon WR attempt, Hassan ER attempt, McSweyn NR attempt + Kejelcha & more!

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Takeaways: Kejelcha and Hassan are now close to top form, so any alarm over earlier performances should probably dissipate.

it'll be interesting to see if Hassan can recover for world half, big effort today - haven't seen her look that fatigued after a race

Galen needs to learn that you can still keep doing drugs effectively after sal. especially with covid.

I only saw the end of the 10,000m. What are the results of the others races? Thanks in advance.

LRC update . Here is our recap.

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2020/10/sifan-hassan-runs-2936-to-shatter-paula-radcliffes-3001-european-record/

The Gregsons are a great example of the power of having a good agent.

They both had brief periods as true world class athletes and are now essentially very good US college athletes who are still consistently getting lanes in Diamond League meetings riding Bideau.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Takeaways: Kejelcha and Hassan are now close to top form, so any alarm over earlier performances should probably dissipate.

What evidence do we have that Kejlchas is close to top form?

Simply because he beat McSweyn?

His two races before today were 3:32.69 for 5th in Monaco and 3:35.96 for 8th in Ostrava. His pb is 12:46.

watcher2342 wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Takeaways: Kejelcha and Hassan are now close to top form, so any alarm over earlier performances should probably dissipate.

it'll be interesting to see if Hassan can recover for world half, big effort today - haven't seen her look that fatigued after a race

I believe with others that it will affect her. Some experts see it points to her being in great shape and therefore MORE of a winning chance.

rojo wrote:

What evidence do we have that Kejlchas is close to top form?

Simply because he beat McSweyn?

His two races before today were 3:32.69 for 5th in Monaco and 3:35.96 for 8th in Ostrava. His pb is 12:46.

You obviously are aware that they were on the WR pace (12:35) for a number of laps in that weather. Not sure why they did that, wishful thinking, but great effort to still put in a respectable time.

BTW, where did that poor coverage and commentators come from? It was painful. glad I didn't stay up (1;30 to 3am) here for that.

watcher2342 wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Takeaways: Kejelcha and Hassan are now close to top form, so any alarm over earlier performances should probably dissipate.

it'll be interesting to see if Hassan can recover for world half, big effort today - haven't seen her look that fatigued after a race

She will not race the world half marathon

rojo wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Takeaways: Kejelcha and Hassan are now close to top form, so any alarm over earlier performances should probably dissipate.

What evidence do we have that Kejlchas is close to top form?

Simply because he beat McSweyn?

His two races before today were 3:32.69 for 5th in Monaco and 3:35.96 for 8th in Ostrava. His pb is 12:46.

Rojo, you have to put this race into proper perspective. Yes, his final time was blah, but he buried McSewyn who is in 7:28/3:31 form at about what 1400 in? He struggled home in the cold and rainy conditions, but he got through 3,000 at 7:41 with less than half of that paced, which would have been a solid performance in the terrible weather to begin with.

rojo wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Takeaways: Kejelcha and Hassan are now close to top form, so any alarm over earlier performances should probably dissipate.

What evidence do we have that Kejlchas is close to top form?

Simply because he beat McSweyn?

His two races before today were 3:32.69 for 5th in Monaco and 3:35.96 for 8th in Ostrava. His pb is 12:46.

THOUGHTSLEADER:

Rojo, you have to put this race into proper perspective. Yes, his final time was blah, but he buried McSewyn who is in 7:28/3:31 form at about what 1400 in? He struggled home in the cold and rainy conditions, but he got through 3,000 at 7:41 with less than half of that paced, which would have been a solid performance in the terrible weather to begin with.

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I must agree with Rojo!

There is no evidence that Kejelcha has improved on his "mediocre" performances earlier this season.

I acknowledge that the weather conditions were very bad (I would never have been able to perform as mainly a 800m runner under these conditions) but Kejelcha was almost 30 seconds from his PB from more than 2 years ago.

We have to await next season to see if Kejelcha will come back on his very best or if he has to get used to a secondary role after the upcoming youngsters, especially Jacob and Jakob.

McSweyn obviously also ran out of gas. Fortunately he can go back to the Australian spring after a very impressive season in Europe.

objectiveobserver wrote:

I must agree with Rojo!

There is no evidence that Kejelcha has improved on his "mediocre" performances earlier this season.

I acknowledge that the weather conditions were very bad (I would never have been able to perform as mainly a 800m runner under these conditions) but Kejelcha was almost 30 seconds from his PB from more than 2 years ago.

We have to await next season to see if Kejelcha will come back on his very best or if he has to get used to a secondary role after the upcoming youngsters, especially Jacob and Jakob.

McSweyn obviously also ran out of gas. Fortunately he can go back to the Australian spring after a very impressive season in Europe.

You guys are missing the forest for the trees here. Everyone acknowledges the final time was not impressive.

In crappy conditions he hit the following splits:

1k-2:34.1 ~paced by Tobin/Ramsden

2k-5:06.0 (2:31.9) ~dropping pacers at 400m mark of this K, and pouring on the pace without help

3k- 7:41.5 (2:35.5) ~dropped McSweyn in first 100 of this K, pushing on alone

From there, he just did what he had to do to win after putting in a tough effort (running 65-67s to the finish). You can say that Tobin/Ramsden/McSweyn all just coincidentally had lousy days ~ Tobin I'm sure was expected to go at least 1600, and Ramsden to 2400 or further. All of them looked very uncomfortable, and Tobin/Ramsden were struggling early. McSweyn got dropped at 2K after a not on its face crazy injection of pace. No, I'd make the more logical conclusion that the conditions slowed everything by about 1 second per lap. What would that mean for this race...Kejelcha ran the equivalents of:

1k -2:31.6

2k-5:01.0 (2:29.4)

3k-7:34 (2:33.0)

and then held on solo for what was worth around a 13-flat performance, obliterating a guy who ran 3:31 and 7:28 this season.