Why has Galen not run at least a 2:05???

Jammier wrote:

Rainy Day wrote:

Agreed. I think he has it in him, and I’m not particularly a Rupp fan. He has another good 3-4 years to PR.

Many of you are not very bright. You really appear ignorant. Galen will never set another personal best in a distance which matters, and by that I mean that it is possible he could run a personal best in a 50K, for example, as I imagine he doesn’t have one. Galen will NEVER run faster than 13:30, 27:50, 60:00 or 2:07 ever again. It will NEVER happen.

Must be trolling man. 13:30? 27:50? Are you kidding??? Galen is 34 years old, younger than Kipchoge and Bekele when they ran their 2:01 times. He's not ancient. If you said he could not break 13:00 or 27:00 right now, I would probably give you that (though I'd give him a shot at sub-27:00 in the right race). The only reason he might not beat those times is he will probably never run either of those events again. Galen is still undoubtedly capable of 59-low and 2:04, and though he might not do them I still say he should break the ARs in both events.

bad at the marathon wrote:

Jammier wrote:

No you are incorrect. 43 year old Abdi ran 2:10:03 in Atlanta. Do you really think 43 year old Abdi can run sub 2:08 at Berlin? Please...

...yes? Berlin is a faster course than any of the American majors, Atlanta is significantly slower than any of the American majors (possible exception of Boston, still probably slightly slower). Korir, a 2:07 man, had a solid day and lost to Abdi. Ward and Fauble, 2:09 men, lost soundly to Abdi. Abdi is in fantastic shape, if he ran at Berlin on that day he would certainly PR.

So 14 years ago Abdi ran 2:08:56 at Chicago and now at age 43 you think he can run faster? There must be some strange magic in those shoes or something else...

Trolling? No.....you’re the same kind of guy that thinks Galen could have run 12:45. Galen was able to fairly easily defeat a 43 year old and a journeyman American at the Trials. It is not encouraging at all. Galen knows it.

Jammier wrote:

bad at the marathon wrote:

...yes? Berlin is a faster course than any of the American majors, Atlanta is significantly slower than any of the American majors (possible exception of Boston, still probably slightly slower). Korir, a 2:07 man, had a solid day and lost to Abdi. Ward and Fauble, 2:09 men, lost soundly to Abdi. Abdi is in fantastic shape, if he ran at Berlin on that day he would certainly PR.

So 14 years ago Abdi ran 2:08:56 at Chicago and now at age 43 you think he can run faster? There must be some strange magic in those shoes or something else...

Yes absolutely. And yes, the shoes matter. Have you not watched marathons in the last 4 years?

OK Hardloper let us try to be intelligent. Abdi is 43. That likely means he is several minutes slower than his best. You really think the shoes are worth 5 minutes or what?

Jammier wrote:

OK Hardloper let us try to be intelligent. Abdi is 43. That likely means he is several minutes slower than his best. You really think the shoes are worth 5 minutes or what?

They're probably worth 1 to 3 minutes for an elite depending on the runner.

Galen is a Championship runner. The Olympic Marathon is a strange event and he can still win a another medal.

Forget about fast times, that's not his aim.

Hardloper wrote:

Jammier wrote:

OK Hardloper let us try to be intelligent. Abdi is 43. That likely means he is several minutes slower than his best. You really think the shoes are worth 5 minutes or what?

They're probably worth 1 to 3 minutes for an elite depending on the runner.

OK so here you are implicitly stating two things:

1) At age 43 Abdi is no more than 3 minutes slower than his prime. (Doubtful)

2. Galen Rupp is likely no faster than Alberto at the marathon. (Doubtful)

Jammier wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

They're probably worth 1 to 3 minutes for an elite depending on the runner.

OK so here you are implicitly stating two things:

1) At age 43 Abdi is no more than 3 minutes slower than his prime. (Doubtful)

2. Galen Rupp is likely no faster than Alberto at the marathon. (Doubtful)

Yes. Neither is unreasonable. Even with the shoes, Rupp is still 1 minute slower at Boston than Alsal so far.

Hardloper wrote:

Jammier wrote:

OK so here you are implicitly stating two things:

1) At age 43 Abdi is no more than 3 minutes slower than his prime. (Doubtful)

2. Galen Rupp is likely no faster than Alberto at the marathon. (Doubtful)

Yes. Neither is unreasonable. Even with the shoes, Rupp is still 1 minute slower at Boston than Alsal so far.

You coulda be right BUT if you are then Abdi is the only world class runner in history who was a world class marathoner in his prime and then is within 3 minutes of his best performance at age 43. And if Alberto was a faster marathoner than Galen it seems people should just shut up about Galen being even close to the best distance runner in U.S. history.

Jammier wrote:

bad at the marathon wrote:

Must be trolling man. 13:30? 27:50? Are you kidding??? Galen is 34 years old, younger than Kipchoge and Bekele when they ran their 2:01 times. He's not ancient. If you said he could not break 13:00 or 27:00 right now, I would probably give you that (though I'd give him a shot at sub-27:00 in the right race). The only reason he might not beat those times is he will probably never run either of those events again. Galen is still undoubtedly capable of 59-low and 2:04, and though he might not do them I still say he should break the ARs in both events.

Trolling? No.....you’re the same kind of guy that thinks Galen could have run 12:45. Galen was able to fairly easily defeat a 43 year old and a journeyman American at the Trials. It is not encouraging at all. Galen knows it.

Galen was the best of a bad lot. it doesnt mean he is any good. he is the best murican. it doesnt mean he is any good.

FFS recently he was slaughtered by Mo. Mo looked great on Sunday, should the brits be thinking Mo will get olympic gold just cos he's a brit?

Its about as sensible.

He has hardly even tried to run a marathon at the level of his PB's in shorter events. He's second rate at marathon and always will be. If he had any sense he would have stayed away from it.

The olympic marathon is nothing. It doesn't mean a damn thing. The winner is not the best marathoner unless the best marathoner happens to show up and run seriously, which isn't often anymore. Rupp goes and shows his bronze medal to anyone who knows about marathoning, will they think he's the world's 3rd best marathoner? Nope.

This was good & exactly what I would have written out. I don't love Rupp but the defense of this is still there for him on this & the same one I pull from when defending those threads that say why don't we have any Americans under-2:10-12 range (although that has stopped for a minute after Chicago 2019). Americans, including Rupp, don't run Berlin/London every year. If he started 8 of those combined over the last several years and still was a 2:06 guy then I would think we've found his ceiling. I mean, he took bronze in Rio. I would like to see him start some rabbited races with 1:02 called for through halfway. But he focuses on trying to win medals & collecting checks at Nike races.

Precious Roy wrote:

I think AlSal realizes that Rupp is too fragile to train to run a superfast marathon and has opted for slower races. Maybe if Rupp went to the marathon when he was 24, he would have run 2:04 by now. But he had a lot of miles on his legs when he started training for 26.2. Even with a more cautious approach he has had big injuries. So, just imagine how banged up he would have been had he raced Berlin and London every year. And, from a marketing perspective, what good would it be for Rupp to be 6th in London and 4th in Berlin running 2:05 and 2:04 versus much slower podium finishes and outright wins in Chicago and Boston, etc.?

I’d rather him have run 26:44 than 2:04. IMO, 26:44 is better than 2:04.

26 something wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

I think AlSal realizes that Rupp is too fragile to train to run a superfast marathon and has opted for slower races. Maybe if Rupp went to the marathon when he was 24, he would have run 2:04 by now. But he had a lot of miles on his legs when he started training for 26.2. Even with a more cautious approach he has had big injuries. So, just imagine how banged up he would have been had he raced Berlin and London every year. And, from a marketing perspective, what good would it be for Rupp to be 6th in London and 4th in Berlin running 2:05 and 2:04 versus much slower podium finishes and outright wins in Chicago and Boston, etc.?

I’d rather him have run 26:44 than 2:04. IMO, 26:44 is better than 2:04.

I think this post is correct (though I'd love to see him run both). 26:44 is so freakin fast man. He has a better PR than all of these athletes:

Mo Farah - indoor 2-mile WR, one hour WR, TEN global golds

Joshua Cheptegei - 5k WR

Hagos Gebrhiwet - 12:45, three global medals

Eliud Kipchoge - marathon WR and undisputed marathon GOAT

Yomif Kejelcha - indoor mile WR, 7:28/12:46

Paul Tanui - five global medals

Selemon Barega - 5k WJR, 12:43, WC silver

Rhonex Kipruto - road 10k WR, WC bronze

Geoffrey Kamworor - half marathon WR, five global golds

Mohammed Ahmed - 12:47, WC bronze

Tariku Bekele - 7:28/8:04/12:52, Oly bronze

Mohammed Mourhit - 7:26/12:49, four global medals

Daniel Komen - 3k WR indoors and out, 2-mile WR, 12:39 5k

All of these athletes have run 12:40s, sub-2:05, have an international medal, or something along those lines. Most of them have done both. This list also includes seven (!!!) world record holders. Sure, there are some caveats to all of this, but the truth is, this is the only American distance record that actually stacks up with the East Africans (unless you count Lagat's 3:27 that he ran while running for the Kenyan national team). This is why I want to see Rupp run a fast marathon, and I know he has it in him.

what does it matter when... wrote:

Galen is a Championship runner. The Olympic Marathon is a strange event and he can still win a another medal.

Forget about fast times, that's not his aim.

+1

For some, running is about competing to win and fast times are not necessarily the focus (but often come as a byproduct of trying to win races).

Jammier wrote:

OK Hardloper let us try to be intelligent. Abdi is 43. That likely means he is several minutes slower than his best.

Seriously, this is bizarre logic. There is no question that with his Atlanta fitness he could have run 2:08 on a fast course. None. So it's pointless to talk about how unlikely it is in the abstract for someone at the age of 43 to be capable of running a PR. This isn't an ex ante discussion of probability. We're looking at facts.

If Sondre Moen (NOR) can run 2:05:48, Rupp in his prime could run near a sub-2:05:00

Bad Wigins wrote:

He has hardly even tried to run a marathon at the level of his PB's in shorter events. He's second rate at marathon and always will be. If he had any sense he would have stayed away from it.

The olympic marathon is nothing. It doesn't mean a damn thing. The winner is not the best marathoner unless the best marathoner happens to show up and run seriously, which isn't often anymore. Rupp goes and shows his bronze medal to anyone who knows about marathoning, will they think he's the world's 3rd best marathoner? Nope.

At which recent Olympics did the best marathoner not show up and run seriously?