Trump triumphs over COVID!!!!!

Pres. Turdball can barely breathe.

Why is it that the left's conspiracy theory nutters can go mainstream but the right is banned?

Are we in America? Or the USSRA? Or the twilight zone?

https://www.rightwirereport.com/2020/10/07/left-wing-conspiracy-theories-go-mainstream-all-others-banned-going-down-the-rabbit-hole/

where the brains at? wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Stopped reading after this.

Lol. I'm surprised you crazy lockdown nazis can read in the first place.

I thought it was common knowledge that the PCR is flawed?

Its also coming to light that this test, which they bank everything on, may give as high as 90% false positive results!!

Easy to find info on this and it explains the BS high rate of covid positives. Dr. Yeodon was also key advisor to Pfizer.

Yes, PCR tests for genetic material and not for intact virions. One of the big questions at the start of the pandemic was the infective period relative to the PCR-positive period.

Yes, I know it's a surprise, experts were aware of this in February!

PCR is quite sensitive and specific so the method itself isn't the issue. The problem arises mainly when you get a high Ct positive, indicating very little, yet detectable genetic material. This could be because the patient is in the early or late stages of infection and has a low viral load, or due to contamination and/or cross reactive and/or other things I'm not thinking of.

This doesn't mean that PCR is flawed, it just means that when you're conducting PCR surveillance of a relatively healthy population you have to be aware of the false positive rate. At anything above low single digit % positivity (maybe lower even, I haven't seen any reliable measurements of PCR FPs), this effect rapidly loses significance.

The article you linked discusses both the Philippines and the UK. The Philippines has a ~7.5% test positivity rate right now -- significantly higher than estimates of RT-PCR false positives.

The UK is at 4.5% but with a dramatic increase in the last few days. Again, that does not fit with a majority-false-positive explanation.

Unfortunately this seems to be one of those articles that refutes itself within days of being published. COVID deniers have a lovely track record of doing that, I'll admit

Has anyone seen the patient in chief the last 48 hours?

Lol. Only thing refuted is another lefty America-killers thinking process. I think what they're trying to convey is that up to 90% of positives may be a false positive. But you know, some people draw their own conclusions.

With that said, if it is a 7.5% positive rate in the Phillipines, it means that 90% of those may be false positives. So you're looking at about .5% positive. If that. But let's keep pumping the covid hysteria. The MSM and corporate overlords must be loving you COVID narrative lappers. You make such useful hand puppets for them.

Maskless wrote:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/katie-miller-mocked-kamala-harris-222014763.html

YA.

Hey, with that 7% infection rate at the White House, how is it that there is not even a .1% infection rate with Antifa & BLM riots/marches? Or the Sturgis crowds? So amazing!

90% false positives would mean something like a 7% false positive rate, roughly. For a RT-PCR test that would be extremely poor. Do you have evidence of such a high rate?

You didn't understand my argument -- 7% positivity rate means that the tests can't be mostly false positives unless there is a massive issue with the quality of tests and procedures.

where the brains at? wrote:

Easy to find info on this and it explains the BS high rate of covid positives. Dr. Yeodon was also key advisor to Pfizer.

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/opinion/covid-pcr-test-prone-to-hatching-false-positives/ar-BB19O5Lo

That Phillipines article is just words - no evidence at all.

Harambe summarises it much better.

Harambe wrote:

Maskless wrote:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/harris-blasts-trumps-response-to-pandemic-they-knew-what-was-happening-and-they-didnt-tell-you-014640015.html

This is true. We all had 2+ months warning before the surge here. Feds did basically NOTHING.

Telling that the only defense is "what could he have done?" That's now how people talk about leaders.

Right and during those two months, Trump was trying to start by shutting down travel from China but was met by "racism, racism, racism " by the Left and it's media. Also during this same time, the Left was trying to impeach him over some bogus crap and was littered with false accusations and lies. Good try ape boy.

FinnJ wrote:

That is how politics work. What if 40% of a countries population dislike their pay and feel that the rich are robbing them so they don't have enough money to enjoy their freedom? Should they be able to decide that rich people must give them money? Doesn't make any sense...

This is how some politics works and how a tyranny of the masses always works. That doesn’t make it preferable. If the “rich“ are literally robbing people then I am on your side. If by robbing you just mean the rich are making money through their various business measures then that’s another story. It sounds like you are advocating robbing “the rich” or whoever you deem rich.

What if the majority of people feel like a minority group is robbing them or subverting their culture? By your logic the majority should be able to take action against this minority group. This is the exact mindset that plagued Europe in during the mid 20th century whether you are referring to Germany against the Jews, Communists against the bourgeoisie or Italian fascists against the communists.

And just out of your self interest you have to remember the majority could turn against you or a group you belong to (or will belong to in the future). And if they do turn against you, by your logic, the mob will have the right to take any action against you it sees fit.

Monkeys typing wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

What would you do in regard to COVID now if you were the president? I’m sincerely curious what your plan of action would be.

I see a lot of complaining about how Trump is doing terrible on the COVID front but not a lot of suggestive solutions.

Perhaps the fact that you haven't heard a clear plan is precisely the problem. I've heard clear direction from our governor regularly. As I type this, I'm listening to a press conference with our county executive describing the local situation and the restrictions being put in place in targeted areas to contain a recent increase in cases.

From the president, I've heard where we all want to be (open) but without any clear plan on how to get there.

I would like to point out and Ms.Harris was asked about her & Biden’s COVID plan last night and her answer was far from clear. She refused to say they would institute a mask mandate or another set of lockdowns (the moderator asked her about a mask mandate and lockdowns directly).

The most specific she got was when she would contact trace but didn’t give any details on how they would go about that doing that or enforcing any repercussions.

Have you looked at the respective party's platform documents for a more expansive take on their approach to COVID mitigation?

Monkeys typing wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

I would like to point out and Ms.Harris was asked about her & Biden’s COVID plan last night and her answer was far from clear. She refused to say they would institute a mask mandate or another set of lockdowns (the moderator asked her about a mask mandate and lockdowns directly).

The most specific she got was when she would contact trace but didn’t give any details on how they would go about that doing that or enforcing any repercussions.

Have you looked at the respective party's platform documents for a more expansive take on their approach to COVID mitigation?

I have. Like I said no real specifics or on how they plan to enforce any of their policies for non-compilers. Very general phrases like more testing or contact tracing are the norm in Biden’s platform.

leftnutz wrote:

Why is it that the left's conspiracy theory nutters can go mainstream but the right is banned?

Are we in America? Or the USSRA? Or the twilight zone?

https://www.rightwirereport.com/2020/10/07/left-wing-conspiracy-theories-go-mainstream-all-others-banned-going-down-the-rabbit-hole/

So I clicked through but it’s a long almost unreadable rant.

Also it makes no sense to be against lockdowns and masks. The latter is to prevent the former. That’s like being against abortion and contraception, and no one’s that dumb.

As a diagnostic test, PCR tests are almost 100% accurate. When someone is symptomatic, the PCR test will be definitive. There is no better test. For surveillance testing, PCR tests are very sensitive and can return a positive result when someone has already been infected and has passed the virus. This is a good problem to have because this high sensitivity is able to pick up people who have only very recently been exposed to the virus and are not yet contagious. A second quick test within 48 hours that is less sensitive can help confirm whether the PCR test has identified an active infection or is only showing an old infection that is no longer active. But even when a PCR test identifies someone who is well past their infection, that is still valuable information if that person had never been previously tested.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Monkeys typing wrote:

Have you looked at the respective party's platform documents for a more expansive take on their approach to COVID mitigation?

I have. Like I said no real specifics or on how they plan to enforce any of their policies for non-compilers. Very general phrases like more testing or contact tracing are the norm in Biden’s platform.

Besides being truth challenged, you seem to have missed the joke.

The 2020 Democrat party platform has a 2600 word essay on COVID mitigation which does in fact mention policy enforcement.

The Republican party is literally reusing their 2016 platform. Needless to say it doesn't mention COVID, never mind enforcement. There is, to be fair, a bullet point list of Trump's second term agenda which consists of 35 words and four bullet points on COVID. The essence being "develop vaccine, return to normal".

fvck me wrote:

leftnutz wrote:

Why is it that the left's conspiracy theory nutters can go mainstream but the right is banned?

Are we in America? Or the USSRA? Or the twilight zone?

https://www.rightwirereport.com/2020/10/07/left-wing-conspiracy-theories-go-mainstream-all-others-banned-going-down-the-rabbit-hole/

So I clicked through but it’s a long almost unreadable rant.

Also it makes no sense to be against lockdowns and masks. The latter is to prevent the former. That’s like being against abortion and contraception, and no one’s that dumb.

Yep. Naturally unreadable to those that are so thoroughly brainwashed & deeply committed to the corporate/state tyranny programs. Definitely must cross your wires.