Understand the debate but 14:25 is incredible in a pandemic, not running with significant training partners in manchester ct where im from, and running low miles. Doing it on his own and hasn’t grown into body yet at all. You may think different if u haven’t seen him run and how undeveloped he is so far. Even so, a pride of manchester where the elites come every year to run manchester road race. I think he’ll be 8:42 in 32 and sub 14 by graduation, at age 17
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This is a post from Gavin Sherry country (just over 10 miles to the west, as the crow flies), but it's nice to see Aidan Puffer doing well.
He seems like a nice kid with a bright future from a town that rightfully loves him. Manchester is one of the great Connecticut communities, with really nice people, Shady Glen, the Manchester Road Race, and magnificent Wickham Park.
I'm baffled by all the people that feel the need to say "but Tinman" whenever there's a post about Aidan. He's a terrific talent and a hard worker.
The odds are overwhelming that these armchair haters could not keep up with Aidan, and likely have never coached anyone as good.
And for the record, the only Tinman I know about helped Dorothy get back to Kansas. -
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
NJ fan wrote:
He's gonna burn out like all Tinman athletes.
No. His training is incredibly modest for a young HS kid - moderate mileage (50-60 mpw), very easy/moderate workouts. He was seen doing k reps at ~3:05-3:10/k few months ago, which was exactly his CV pace (~10k pace).
That's not gonna burn anyone out. You know nothing about Tinman training, done correctly, it is actually one of the safest methods and develops long-term, not just for a short peak.
For comparison, Nico Young did 1k reps (7x1k) in 2:46/k. Sure, two different workouts with different rests (1 min jogging for Puffer vs 3 min standing for Young) but if one would burn out a runner if done repeatedly, which one do you think it would be?
Also Puffer isn't the only Tinman coached HS athlete that's doing very well right now. There is a whole bunch of them that can all run below 15 in the 5k and are still on low/moderate mileage without many superhero workouts. Tinman is literally revolutionizing HS development of athletes right now, just look at how the programs that are working with him as advisor and using his philosophies are doing right now (e.g. Loudon Valley).
He is NOT revolutionizing high school running. There have been literally hundreds of coaches with the same philosophy. Nothing new here and yet we keep seeing people claiming he is the new Lydiard, the new Vigil, the new Wetmore, etc. He does an ok job with very talented athletes. End of story. And for the record Puffer will be 18 when he graduates. -
So, his high school teammates are insignificant training partners? Why be on a team if you practice alone?
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Frank Lee wrote:
So, his high school teammates are insignificant training partners? Why be on a team if you practice alone?
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Rocket Mann wrote:
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
cramister wrote:
Yeah I know but I'm saying he never got the chance to rip that fast 5k, I think he would've taken Lindgren's record and maybe Rupp would never have got it.
and who is this now? he's actually 50th all time in the 5k for hs boys
Rupps 5k is a slightly better time that Chapa's 10k. But neither really ran another time close to those. They had had a good day and ran an off the chart time (see Webbs 3:53 for another example). I have no doubt Chappa could have run a 13:40-13:45 type race if things went well.
I'm not sure I'd say Rupp had a "good day and ran an off the chart time". He ran under 14 at least one other time before his record, maybe twice.
Chapa was certainly great, but his record appears much more like a one off performance.
Rupp ran 13:55 and a 8:03. Those are roughly the same level of performance. Running almost 20s faster is pretty significant. Like the difference between running a 3:53 mile and a 3:58 one. A couple weeks later, he ran a 29:09 which again is right in line with what you would expect a 13:55 guy to run (ok a couple seconds slow). Nothing wrong with guys having good days but it is a stretch to imagine all Chapa had to do was run in a fast race and he was taking down Lindgren.
If memory serves, Chapa (and one of the CA kids) were running those 10ks because the OT qualifier was weak. It resulted in an epic HS record for 10k but we sort of missed out on see what type of 2 mile he could have run.... -
This is a pretty great time for a junior at this time of year. It's not at the level of a Ritzenhein in his junior year xc shape but it puts Puffer well in range to break 14 in the spring, which would be a rare feat for a junior. The reason I think he can break 14 in the spring despite apparently plateauing in the 5000m (14:47 as a frosh) is that he is on a low quality training program. By low quality, I mean that he does very little at 5000m pace or faster, so that he is not coming close to maximizing. In the spring, as he works toward a peak, he will be much more ready to run a quick pace because he will have more speedwork.
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Maybe Rupp ran 13:55 earlier. His hs record is 13:37. He did this in Europe while going out in 61 and running in lane two for the first couple of laps.
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=504807
