Galen has already crushed all the top Africans in the Marathon. He’s a WMM Champion and win the Bronze at the OLYMPICS!!!
Galen has already crushed all the top Africans in the Marathon. He’s a WMM Champion and win the Bronze at the OLYMPICS!!!
I agree with the gist of this post but a couple things are confusing. You state that Hall has "one more major win" than Rupp. What does this mean? Since Hall never won a major.
Similar for Abdi, you state "only has one more major marathon win." When did Abdi ever win a major?
probably my best race wrote:
3 marathon major victories,
What? Look Rupp has had an AMAZING career but what 3 major marathon wins has he had? While he's been pretty much DOMINANT on the US scene, the reality is he's won hardly any significant international races during his career.
He's won 1 major marathon, not three. Chicago 2017. He won in 2:09 on a day that was perfect for running fast and yet in the race there somehow were only 5 guys in the lead pack on 2:11 pace at 35k. Regardless a win is a win. He's got zero other major marathon wins. He's other marathon wins came in Prague and the Olympic Trials (twice).
On the track, his 26:44 win at Pre in 2014 is his only significant international track win of his career. He's never won an international 5000 of note.
rojo wrote:
probably my best race wrote:
3 marathon major victories,
What? Look Rupp has had an AMAZING career but what 3 major marathon wins has he had? While he's been pretty much DOMINANT on the US scene, the reality is he's won hardly any significant international races during his career.
He's won 1 major marathon, not three. Chicago 2017. He won in 2:09 on a day that was perfect for running fast and yet in the race there somehow were only 5 guys in the lead pack on 2:11 pace at 35k. Regardless a win is a win. He's got zero other major marathon wins. He's other marathon wins came in Prague and the Olympic Trials (twice).
On the track, his 26:44 win at Pre in 2014 is his only significant international track win of his career. He's never won an international 5000 of note.
I think he's including Galen's two US trials victories. I'd call that a major marathon even though it isn't a "world major"
Kipchoge had the worse race of his career yesterday in poor conditions and yet his time was close to Rupp's pr. Since 2016 the gap between Kipchoge and the other Africans and Rupp has only widened, and Rupp is fragile. Rupp may be good enough to run with the leaders through much of the race, but he's not going to medal in Tokyo.
rojo wrote:
probably my best race wrote:
3 marathon major victories,
What? Look Rupp has had an AMAZING career but what 3 major marathon wins has he had? While he's been pretty much DOMINANT on the US scene, the reality is he's won hardly any significant international races during his career.
He's won 1 major marathon, not three. Chicago 2017. He won in 2:09 on a day that was perfect for running fast and yet in the race there somehow were only 5 guys in the lead pack on 2:11 pace at 35k. Regardless a win is a win. He's got zero other major marathon wins. He's other marathon wins came in Prague and the Olympic Trials (twice).
On the track, his 26:44 win at Pre in 2014 is his only significant international track win of his career. He's never won an international 5000 of note.
Major was a poor choice of words, marathon major != major marathon in my mind. The others were a couple mistakes, the IAAF has a very strange way of listing marathon major honors? They list athletes winning when they did not, I'm not sure what the meaning is but it's very misleading to someone who was not really following the scene pre 2010.
Rupp will be 35, that is true. In his case, it does not adversely affect his medal chances in the Olympics next year. Let's assume he is healthy and has a successful build-up, he is a medal contender.
The dude has been there twice when it mattered: Standing on the Olympic podium, receiving a medal. He's a money runner when it counts.
His problem will be roughly ten East African runners from Kenya, Ethiopia and Uganda, among other countries. He'll have his hands full, but don't count him out on the day.
John___Matrix wrote:
probably my best race wrote:
I'm assuming you meant, "THE all time top American runner." He has two Olympic medals during the period of East African dominance, 3 marathon major victories, 10 USA titles, and the American 10k record and indoor 2-mile/5k records. He also has excellent times in the 3k, 5k, half marathon, and marathon. Hell, his indoor mile PR is a second off the American record. He has clearly already established himself as one of the all-time greats. An Olympic gold in the marathon would make him the GOAT in all the true distance events (10k+), as well as a strong competitor in the middle distances (1500-5k).
USA titles and records in distance running aren't as impressive as they sound on the bigger stage.
Yes they are. Being the fastest 10k runner out of 330,000,000 people IS impressive
Big Red wrote:
Rupp will be 35, that is true. In his case, it does not adversely affect his medal chances in the Olympics next year. Let's assume he is healthy and has a successful build-up, he is a medal contender.
The dude has been there twice when it mattered: Standing on the Olympic podium, receiving a medal. He's a money runner when it counts.
His problem will be roughly ten East African runners from Kenya, Ethiopia and Uganda, among other countries. He'll have his hands full, but don't count him out on the day.
I would say the extra year of recovery is going to more than offset the extra year of aging. I am not sure I feel the same way for Bekele and Kipchoge. Realistically there are going to be about a dozen contenders for medals and a 2 or 3 where you go if they have a good day, they are beating Rupp. But the odds of them all having good days is about zero. Obviously a long time between now and the olympics for someone to get injured...
Rupp has virtually no shot at getting in the medals this time around. He won't have the shoe advantage anymore like he did in 2016 and he has been beaten thoroughly 2 out of his last 3 marathons.
Or his chances for Olympic Gold went way down today. I don't see him medal-ling at all . But fanatics like you are free to chime in.
3000m runner wrote:
Didn't a whole bunch of people run under 2:08 in bad weather, what gives Rupp better chances. He is not the 2nd best behind kipchoge, he will have to face 12-13 better runners than him. It's not impossible for him to win, but extremely unlikely, as he may not make the top ten.
No, the Olympics only allow three entrants per event so at most 6 Kenyans/Ethiopians. Still steep odds for Rupp.
Wise Old Man wrote:
Kipchoge had the worse race of his career yesterday in poor conditions and yet his time was close to Rupp's pr. Since 2016 the gap between Kipchoge and the other Africans and Rupp has only widened, and Rupp is fragile. Rupp may be good enough to run with the leaders through much of the race, but he's not going to medal in Tokyo.
I'd be surprised if Kipchoge medals next year. I think he's definitely slowing down with his best marathon time being at Berlin in 2018. Without knowing the exact distance he ran in each of his breaking two attempts I wouldn't be shocked if the 1:59:40 he ran was actually his slowest time when you factor in all the advantages he had in that one - better shoes, better pacing, better course. Would it surprise anyone that he ran exactly 42.195km in that one, slightly longer in the Italy attempt, and a few hundred meters longer at Berlin?
Galberto Ruppazar wrote:
Kipchoge has essentially looked invincible in the marathon before today. Now that his win streak is over, he has lost part of his mental advantage over the rest of the field. We won't be able to tell whether this is the start of a real decline for Kipchoge until his next race, but this race may be the end of his dominance in the marathon. I think there's a much greater chance for a dark horse to win Olympic Gold in 2021, such as the Ruppster.
Dumbest post I've ever seen since January 1st, total stupidity. Do you even run? Do you even have a clue on what it means to have an "off day"? Wow, just wow! I have a feeling this is an inside job post as even a hobbyjogger could not be that dumb.
only 3 kenyans to compete against in the olympics
pupil3142 wrote:
get over it. just because he is murican does not mean he is fast.
He would not have been (and indeed - did you spot it - he wasnt!!!) in the top five group.
he cannot beat the top africans, or even close.
Sara Hall is not Galen Rupp, and she was a long way behind the winning african.
i say african because i probably dont want to say d........
You must be new to the sport. Sisay Lemma - who was right in the lead pack and finished 3rd - Rupp has destroyed him twice. Dropped him like a bad habit in Chicago (2017) then literally ran away from him like he was standing still in Prague (2018). I don't know if Rupp would've won on Sunday, but he would've been in the mix for sure - and his chances would've been really good.
Also, the guy comparing this to 2018 Boston - not even close. Boston was 20 degrees colder with WAY more wind. I mean, the guys ran 2:05, NOT 2:15 - it was a decent day for an afternoon jog, looked nice on tv.
As for Tokyo 2021, I GUARANTEE you that Rupp will be on the podium. There are not three guys in the world better than him in a NON-PACED TACTICAL race. Conditions will be hot, similar to Rio - Kipchoge is still the huge favorite - but Galen will be in the mix, I'll say silver this time.
Les wrote:
3000m runner wrote:
Didn't a whole bunch of people run under 2:08 in bad weather, what gives Rupp better chances. He is not the 2nd best behind kipchoge, he will have to face 12-13 better runners than him. It's not impossible for him to win, but extremely unlikely, as he may not make the top ten.
No, the Olympics only allow three entrants per event so at most 6 Kenyans/Ethiopians. Still steep odds for Rupp.
Posters on LRC always say this before the Olympics, but here we are two medals later. Same people will be shocked yet again when he gets another medal. He is a gamer.
Galberto Ruppazar wrote:
Kipchoge has essentially looked invincible in the marathon before today. Now that his win streak is over, he has lost part of his mental advantage over the rest of the field. We won't be able to tell whether this is the start of a real decline for Kipchoge until his next race, but this race may be the end of his dominance in the marathon. I think there's a much greater chance for a dark horse to win Olympic Gold in 2021, such as the Ruppster.
I mean I was gonna call this an overreaction but Rupp did take bronze in Rio. I think the weather still played a big role in Kipchoge looking human. Boston 2018 was extreme nd Rupp dropped out. Rupp has also looked human in the marathon at other times. Who knows if Rupp would have been there with a mile to go in London. What we know is that Tokyo will be a different animal and I wouldn't count out the GOAT in a warm weather race.
He will always be a champion.
Bullet_Proof wrote:
"Yes they are. Being the fastest 10k runner out of 330,000,000 people IS impressive"
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Then the Chinese and Indian 10000m record holders must be even more impressive?
But Rupp´s NR in the 10000m IS impressive! He is no. 15 in the all time list and the only not African born in top 100, apart from Cameron Levins (no. 91) and Arturo Barrios (no. 96).