BOEING MOVING OUT of Washington state

Read Atlas Shrugged. Antagonize business enough and you lose the value they create (jobs, goods, services). Washington is run by evil people.

Raddison wrote:

Excellent troll post. Also good that the article you posted is not date stamped.

Unfortunately, a bit of checking shows it is probably over 10 years old.

1) The article quoted CEO Jim McNerney. McNerney left Boeing in 2015

2) The article mentions Gov. Chris Gregoire. Gregoire left office in 2013

3) The article mentions A350 may come to market sometime between 2013 to 2015

4) The article talks about opening a second 787 assembly line, probably around 2012.

It was, however written after 2008 as it mentions the strike.

I looked into this and the news is true:

This is a big deal and will be a major blow to Washington state. I feel for the workers and their families, as well as the thousands of local businesses that supported the manufacturing facility in Washington. On the other hand, this is a great thing for South Carolina and the booming Charleston area.

Charles Lindbergh wrote:They are probably closing shop for good.

Not closing up shop. Just relocating.

Not a Jay Inslee fan but it's not really about him. It's more about Boeing gradually leaving Washington state, specifically the Puget Sound region. The writing was on the wall years ago when they moved the corporate offices out of Seattle, where they had always been, to Chicago. Boeing already has had plants located in different cities in the USA. Bottom line is they can pay South Carolina workers a lot less money to build planes then they can in the Puget Sound region.

Fly Airbus

That's big news for CofC, CSU, and the Citadel

A pox on Boeing for manufacturing defective airplanes for the sake of profit, killing hundreds of people when the planes crashed, then trying to put the blame on the dead pilots. Now they want to move to a so-called right-to-work state, in order to further maximize profits by using non-union labor.

Slainte wrote:

A pox on Boeing for manufacturing defective airplanes for the sake of profit, killing hundreds of people when the planes crashed, then trying to put the blame on the dead pilots.

If the Free Market determines that planes should be produced with defects, who are we to question the market's wisdom?

If America was purely a capitalist country, Boeing would never survive. Luckily Boeing benefits from all kinds of corporate welfare and corporate socialism. Boeing is one company that cannot survive without hefty government subsidies. They get billions every year from various state governments and from the federal government. They do this by playing the different states against each other, threatening to move jobs from one state to another if they don't get subsidies. Amazon tried that recently and New York told them to eff off

Boeing has been in trouble since they moved hq to Chicago. Decisions are now made by MBAs and marketing professionals, not engineers. That's why they have so many problems with the 737 max.

Expect the company to continue to get worse...

Drumroll wrote:

If America was purely a capitalist country, Boeing would never survive. Luckily Boeing benefits from all kinds of corporate welfare and corporate socialism. Boeing is one company that cannot survive without hefty government subsidies. They get billions every year from various state governments and from the federal government. They do this by playing the different states against each other, threatening to move jobs from one state to another if they don't get subsidies. Amazon tried that recently and New York told them to eff off

LOL at the logic that you are being subsidized by being allowed to keep more of the money that you made. Is the mugger on the corner subsidizing you if he chooses not to steal your stuff?

don't fetter my market wrote:

Slainte wrote:

A pox on Boeing for manufacturing defective airplanes for the sake of profit, killing hundreds of people when the planes crashed, then trying to put the blame on the dead pilots.

If the Free Market determines that planes should be produced with defects, who are we to question the market's wisdom?

It wasn’t the free market that made the decision; it was Boeing’s business executives.

Frankly, I don't think that the airplane business is even close to cutthroat, to the extent that extraordinary national subsidies preserve it in military contracts, as well as the extraordinary obstacles placed in the way of true competition. You have two major corporations competing for worldwide aircraft dollars, Boeing and Airbus (four corporations are involved in 99% of aircraft engine manufacturing, CFM, Pratt and Whitney, GE, and Rolls Royce), with frequent intervention by national governments and the European Union in the contract phase. It's as much foreign policy and local political interventions as corporate marketing that takes place in sales. More than half of Boeing's earnings and 3/4 of Airbus's, however, do come from commercial business.

Timmy Treadwell wrote:

Boeing has been in trouble since they moved hq to Chicago. Decisions are now made by MBAs and marketing professionals, not engineers. That's why they have so many problems with the 737 max.

Expect the company to continue to get worse...

Absolutely right. The corporation did great when everything was in one place in Everett, Washington. Engineers need to make decisions autonomously. They were absolutely hammered by the way they mishandled the 737 max and then COVID this year, which has emptied out the airplane market because no one wants to fly and the airlines are on the verge of bankruptcy.

zxczxcv wrote:

Timmy Treadwell wrote:

Boeing has been in trouble since they moved hq to Chicago. Decisions are now made by MBAs and marketing professionals, not engineers. That's why they have so many problems with the 737 max.

Expect the company to continue to get worse...

Absolutely right. The corporation did great when everything was in one place in Everett, Washington. Engineers need to make decisions autonomously. They were absolutely hammered by the way they mishandled the 737 max and then COVID this year, which has emptied out the airplane market because no one wants to fly and the airlines are on the verge of bankruptcy.

COVID is actually helping them.

not workers fault wrote:

As for unions, the US had the strongest economy and the most vibrant middle class when unions were strong. .

I think you are referring to the 50's and 60's. Yes we had the strongest economy. But it had nothing to do with the unions. It was because bombed the crap out of everyone else.

zxczxcv wrote:Absolutely right. The corporation did great when everything was in one place in Everett, Washington.

Not quite. Boeing got started in Seattle and was there for many years. They expanded and opened up the Everett plant to build the 747. They still manufactured planes at the local Seattle plant.

In addition there are many other Boeing plants.

(Jan. 1, 2020)

Location Employees

Alabama 3,062

Arizona 4,655

California 13,441

Missouri 15,740

Oklahoma 3,392

Pennsylvania 4,633

South Carolina 6,869

Texas 4,768

Washington 71,829

Other locations 32,744

Total Company 161,133

without military contracts boeing would be bankrupt without a doubt.. they have proved their lying incompetence. good luck to south carolina.

Dave37 wrote:

Drumroll wrote:

If America was purely a capitalist country, Boeing would never survive. Luckily Boeing benefits from all kinds of corporate welfare and corporate socialism. Boeing is one company that cannot survive without hefty government subsidies. They get billions every year from various state governments and from the federal government. They do this by playing the different states against each other, threatening to move jobs from one state to another if they don't get subsidies. Amazon tried that recently and New York told them to eff off

LOL at the logic that you are being subsidized by being allowed to keep more of the money that you made. Is the mugger on the corner subsidizing you if he chooses not to steal your stuff?

Typical right wing ignorance. Boeing is funded through inflated no bid contracts from the Federal government. In 2017, the Federal Government funded Boeing to the tune of $24 billion. And after all this, they are still engaged in shakedown economics

This post was really good (as was Roy's). Did they have to move? No. It's about them paying their workers even less. We need to have better conversations about unionization in this country. Stop scapegoating worker unions. Things were a lot more equal when union density was at its highest. Why? Negotiating power. Workers could make sure all of the profits weren't concentrated at the top. What we have now is industries that have just a handful of power players with very few worker unions. I don't know why anybody would be against opening up the books & seeing if employers can do better by their workers. People run businesses to profit for themselves -- not to provide what they can to every worker they have. Also, some employers, sure, might not have the money to give. That's fine. So you can't negotiate higher pay at the table but you can still hash out plenty of other issues. You don't form a union just because of pay. These corporations want full control & that is the very thing that has led to extreme inequality and poor working conditions.

& it's so funny the conversations we have about taxes in this country. They pay low taxes in Washington & are still leaving. Looks like we should have just taxed them appropriately. I remember when Oregon failed to pass a corporate tax measure in 2016 that still would have corporations in Washington paying more. Voters rejected it after corporations spent a ton of money to defeat it. BUT when Boeing leaves Washington, they aren't crossing the border where taxes are cheaper for them.