turkey man wrote:
Using this logic, you may as well get in a race car and drive 26.2 miles. Hey, we have the technology!
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turkey man wrote:
Using this logic, you may as well get in a race car and drive 26.2 miles. Hey, we have the technology!
+1
Coevett wrote:
Strange how you think the most infamous of left-wing papers calling out Kipchoge for having an advantage over Bekele has anything to do with the alt-right.
That title is wrong.
Bekele has access to the Alphaflies but he apparently is choosing to race in the Next%s.
Can’t stand Eliud anymore. His sub 2hr BS run was awful for the sport. I could care less about someone creating the perfect race environment, cheating with a team to block the wind and using shoes that give a huge advantage. I still don’t understand why people even acknowledge the race
And comparing performance enhancing shoes to zoom calls might be the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard.
Another comparison is cinder tracks vs polyurethane tracks. Same concept
Obviously Kipchoge's argument isn't going to be great. I don't think he even graduated high school.
The Kipster will make an excellent politician
Nonsense
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I think advances in shoes, etc., are fine. They used to run races on cinder tracks, the mile times were about 4 seconds slower than if run on tartan. The point is that it's not the equipment that wins the race, it's the athlete who has the talent and the equipment enhances it. All these athletes have access to the equipment and are on a level playing field. In the big picture, everyone benefits from advances if you choose to use them. I'm over 60 and love the advances in shoes as they do prevent injury much more effectively than shoes did 40 years ago and the use of amino acids keeps one feeling healthier and more productive as you get older.
It is strange. I just don't think what he said is such a big deal. I see it as a runner (or a person) simply saying, "hey, the world changes. Things change."
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i am only partially convinced.
it is correct that intellectual progress in connection with running has resulted in significantly better results. examples of this would be scientific training, psychology or the knowledge of nutritional science.
this is why more runners can now run times that were almost unattainable a few decades ago.
but there are also technological advances such as synthetic tracks or new shoes. some developments are so spectacular that they radically shift the standards and relationships in an almost unfair way.
i leave dishonest things like doping out of here, that is fraud per se.
many sports fans know that today's records were only possible because of the progress made and that there are athletes in history who, with today's resources, might be much better than the current record holders.
Jared Ward made a good case for the acceptance of shoe technology on a recent Citius Mag podcast.
https://citiusmag.com/podcast/citius-mag-podcast-jared-ward-london-marathon/
In short, a couple of his main points.
Better foam absorbs more impact making recovery faster, especially after racing a marathon. This will add years to his running life/career.
Shoe companies need to innovate. For the governing bodies to react too quickly would stifle innovation, ultimately hurting the consumer. The governing bodies exercised good judgment on delaying a ruling and with the decision they made.
Sport is zero-sum: if you win, I lose. Commerce is not: we can both trade and both be better off. Something that enhances our ability to trade does not leave a winner and a loser, but something that creates unevenness in sports does do that.
I can see why the analogy is superficially appealing. But the situations are different.
DwideSchrude wrote:
Also, he is selling the brand he represents.
^This^
jeremiahw wrote:
macdaddy 1.00 wrote:
1) No need to insult Kipchoge. I find him to be extremely motivational and a great role model. It’s safe to say he’s more accomplished than just about anyone on this forum/website (in any professional domain) - including you.
2) PEDS, genetic manipulation, and cloning have basically always been illegal. Your argument is to use technology on something already illegal.
3) Shoes were legal. Technology made them better. Now they are illegal. Complete opposite.
You are not very bright either. Lance Armstrong is very accomplished but are you going to defer to him in terms of intelligence when he says something illogical? Well I suppose you might but some of us REFUSE to dumb ourselves down for your benefit.
I’m not deferring to anyone in this argument. I just said your insults were pointless, especially when you follow your insults with a garbage (and incorrect) comparison. Not to mention accusing him of using PEDs.
“Small minds discuss other people” - here you are, pal.
I think that is a bit of a silly argument.
Sport is an artificial construct. As long as the arbitrary rules are followed and the playing field is level, so in this case all the athletes have access to the same technology, there is no reason to be critical of Kipchoge. He is the GOAT. Take away the carbon plate shoes and he would still beat everybody like a drum. For those that cry about being unable to compare the times from this era to previous eras, get over it. That's and old and tired complaint.
hr measurement wrote:
jeremiahw wrote:
It shows that like most human beings, Kipchoge is not very bright. His argument makes no sense. Technology can lead to better PEDs or genetic manipulation or cloning. I interpret his statement as an implicit admission that he uses PEDs.
Yikes. You may be on to something there.
Wowzers.
T&F deals with this all of the time.
Spikes have improved and make times faster. Mondo tracks are faster. Pole vault poles have gotten better with synthetics. High jump now has a pad on one side allowing the fosbury flop. Athletes now have electronic pacing for world record attempts.
There is no way to draw a clear, bright line between technologies that make running faster.
Should we go back to cinder tracks? Dirt tracks? How would you specify the type of cinder? Can you use plastic in spikes or do they need to be leather as in 1920? Can athletes wear synthetic clothing with spandex or does it need to be cotton or wool?
The only fair thing to do is allow for progress. Time doesn't stop. We can't go back to some imagined greater time that existed in the past.
Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Strava thinks the London Marathon times improved 12 minutes last year thanks to supershoes
NAU women have no excuse - they should win it all at 2024 NCAA XC
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!