Yes or No: Do you believe the reported 200,000 coronavirus deaths?

C jessup wrote:

joedirt wrote:

Do I believe that people died with COVID in their system? Yes. Do I believe that 80%+ of those people likely died primarily as a result of something other than COVID? Yes

I believe you are an idiot. For example 2 pac died of respiratory failure that led to cardiac arrest. According to you he the shooting didn’t matter.

Actually, if Tupac would have had COVID in his system (much like George Floyd had COVID in his system), he would have been counted as a COVID death.

USA: Roughly 2.8 million deaths per year.

2.8 / 2 = 1.4 million deaths in six months (obviously deaths occur at diff. rates in different times of year, but estimating here.

200k/1.4m = .14*100 = 14% of deaths had COVID at the time of death

7 million confirmed US cases * 10 (CDC estimated factor increase of total infections) = 70 million probable infections in USA

70 million / 330m (total US population) = 21% of US population has had an infection.

Do I think it's possible that 14% of people had COVID at the time of their death? Yes. Based on above, one would expect that at least that percent of dying people to have (or have had) COVID infections.

Do I think COVID was the primary driver of those deaths? No.

survey says wrote:

No

I believe we attributed 200k deaths to covid over a period in which 1.4 million die in a normal year when the medical industry is financially incentivized to categorize deaths as Covid and many states are actively trying to work against the president.

It all depends on your definition of died of COVID. If you say people who would not have died regardless of COVID with a year I would guess the real total is around 60k.

Lead Foil Hat 2 wrote:

This whole excess death line is going to backfire when the total deaths at the end of the year have evened out.

So you're saying that the number of deaths in October/November/December *will* be below what we'd normally expect? You're committing to that?

[Totals for those three months would have to be *substantially* below what would normally be expected--given that we've had *six* months of elevated death totals now.]

Care to wager on it--understanding that we won't get a good idea of total 2020 deaths until next summer or so? You're saying "total deaths at the end of the year [will even] out"--care to put some money where your mouth is? I'd be happy to donate $100 to a charity of your choice if we get the serious dip in death totals that you're predicting--will you take the other end of that?

CorrectorII wrote:

If a person was about to die [anyway] it will end up NOT contributing to the excess death count for the year

Yes, agreed. If someone who, say, died in May from COVID would have died from something else by Hallowe'en *without* COVID, then the total for the year would not be affected.

Always important to remember the CV19 fear monger claims that never materialized- just a few:

Exponential growth

Sweden die-off

South Dakota extinction

Florida death beaches

Kawasaki Disease

Covid parties

Nationwide 2nd wave

Myocarditis

Ozarks Death Trap

Sturgis Bike Plague

I know you are just listing random stuff without a particular point but a couple of comments:

- The long term effects of covid in the general population are not yet known, it'll be a while to find out

- If you plot the covid cases in a log scale you'll see exponential growth for every state or country until the full lockdown took place. It's a matter of basic principles, not rocket science

Related:

Today the Norwegian public health institute (FHI) released a press release that shows a whopping 250-ish deaths on national level:

-9 out of 10 “COVID19” deaths had underlying chronic disease (heart disease and lung disease and dementia were the big ones)

-They were 70+ for the large part and most in their 80s (average age 82 I believe)

-In the cases where there was a death in a lower age group (“below 70”) basically chronic illness was indeed present.

They also released a separate press release stating that deaths from esp. heart disease were down this year. They offered no real explanation, it was part of a long term trend they say. Talk about being willfully obtuse. Maybe, just maybe, you classified those people as COVID19 deaths? It’s just a hunch.

I’m not posting this because it’s so revolutionary, but it’s again official statements from a US empire vassal state basically confirming that COVID19 = rebranding of deaths due to heart disease, lung disease and dementia in the old and frail. You can more or less read these Norwegian links with google translate, but Coronavirus is sometimes translated as coronary heart disease so beware of that curiosity if you attempt it.

https://www.fhi.no/nyheter/2020/ni-av-ti-som-dode-med-covid-19-hadde-kronisk-sykdom/

https://www.fhi.no/nyheter/2020/lavere-dodelighet-i-norge-for-noen-sykdommer-under-pandemien/

CorrectorII wrote:

David Wowie wrote:

Seven months in and still don't know anyone who has even gotten sick, never mind died.

Any of your direct friends have cancer? That's the 2nd leading cause of death in the US

I have a sister who is a cancer survivor. I have 3 friends from the gym who have battle cancer over the last couple of years. And I have close friend from the master's running club I belong to that had cancer twice over the last 5 yrs! I know absolutely no one from my circle of friends from the gym or the running club that has died from Covid let alone even been diagnosed of Covid! Now there was this dude from the running club who told me his wife's boss had a cousin who had a close friend who supposedly got Covid. Lol.

CorrectorII wrote:

I know you are just listing random stuff without a particular point but a couple of comments:

- The long term effects of covid in the general population are not yet known, it'll be a while to find out

- If you plot the covid cases in a log scale you'll see exponential growth for every state or country until the full lockdown took place. It's a matter of basic principles, not rocket science

Where in the world do you get your information.

Please- of course long-term impacts of anything can't be known in the uh short term- but that hasn't stopped the Covid True Believers from saying otherwise- that's called lying- gettin' it yet?

Please try the "basic principles" again as you not only proved your ignorance on exponential growth but also that you know zero (yet again) about the timeline of lockdowns and how that canard as already been disproved.

Please stop embarrassing yourself and instead educate yourself:

No.

Are you denying the exponential growth rate of the virus if no measures are taken? It's not that models predict it, but looking at a log plot of cases shows exponential growth. No special data set or PhD is needed for that.

Not Buying The Hype Anymore! wrote:

CorrectorII wrote:

Any of your direct friends have cancer? That's the 2nd leading cause of death in the US

I have a sister who is a cancer survivor. I have 3 friends from the gym who have battle cancer over the last couple of years. And I have close friend from the master's running club I belong to that had cancer twice over the last 5 yrs! I know absolutely no one from my circle of friends from the gym or the running club that has died from Covid let alone even been diagnosed of Covid! Now there was this dude from the running club who told me his wife's boss had a cousin who had a close friend who supposedly got Covid. Lol.

Did you comb through their health history in an effort to determine what other things they probably would've gotten sick from because you chose not to belief their "cancer" story??

Not Buying The Hype Anymore! wrote:

CorrectorII wrote:

Any of your direct friends have cancer? That's the 2nd leading cause of death in the US

I have a sister who is a cancer survivor. I have 3 friends from the gym who have battle cancer over the last couple of years. And I have close friend from the master's running club I belong to that had cancer twice over the last 5 yrs!

So you don't personally ANYONE who's actually DIED from the 2nd leading cause of death in the US? Do you see where this is going?

*personally know

Key point: There’s NO open dialogue expressing different points of view in the US Media. In addition, there’s a constant effort to suppress alternative scientific data and opinions. When scientific evidence is censored by mainstream media news and all social platforms it logically casts suspicion on the official COVID narrative. If everything is on the “up and up” then there would be no need to suppress materials contradicting the state’s narrative. In fact, if mainstream media news was truly interested in educating the public they’d welcome numerous analyses by an array of epidemiologists and virologists.

The Fairness Doctrine a FCC regulation introduced in 1949 was repealed by Reagan it required holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was—in the FCC’s view—honest, equitable, and balanced. Now it’s all one-sided propaganda. Cable news guest commentators are all security state hacks who repeat the same garbage over and over again. They all have the identical analysis reaffirming each others BS all based on national security state scripts.

CorrectorII wrote:

David Wowie wrote:

Seven months in and still don't know anyone who has even gotten sick, never mind died.

Any of your direct friends have cancer? That's the 2nd leading cause of death in the US

Two close friends were diagnosed with cancer and each was gone within 4 weeks since March.

How will we settle the wager.

Total deaths in America by month in 2020 seem unavailable.

There may be a small blip in total deaths this year due to the lockdowns (and the attendant increase in crime, poverty, drug and alcohol use, etc.)..... but nothing more

David Wowie wrote:

How will we settle the wager[?]

Total deaths in America by month in 2020 seem unavailable.

There may be a small blip in total deaths this year due to the lockdowns (and the attendant increase in crime, poverty, drug and alcohol use, etc.)..... but nothing more

But we don't need total-deaths-by-month; the CDC already tracks total reported deaths by *week*. The link to that chart was posted previously; I'll post it again below. We can simply add up the weekly totals through the year.

The chart very helpfully indicates (with a "+") each week that had a total above the statistical "upper bound" for the number of deaths that would be expected. Starting from the week ending March 28th, EVERY week, through the week ending August 22nd, has such a mark. (As noted previously, because of the lag time in reporting deaths from various jurisdictions to the CDC, it can take several weeks or some months to get the totals for a given week; hence the data for the last several weeks are not complete.)

Note that these plus-marks do not simply indicate higher-than-expected deaths, but instead more deaths than might be expected in a given week, *even when allowing for random statistical upticks*. There were in fact several weeks earlier in the year that had slightly more deaths than expected, but the totals did not exceed the upper bound. And there was also a string of about six weeks in January and February when deaths were roughly 5,000 (total) *fewer* than what might be expected, probably because of a milder-than-usual flu season this year.

If we add the posted totals for ALL the weeks in 2020 through August, say, we have maybe a couple hundred thousand deaths *above the upper bound*--and perhaps twice that many if we simply go by the number expected for each week. You asserted that we're going to see only a "small blip in total deaths this year due to the lockdowns . . . but nothing more." I'll be extremely generous and say that 50,000 *above the upper bound* is "small."

So then here is how we would settle the wager: If, when the total deaths for each week of 2020 are pretty much set, we see that the total for the year was 50,000 or fewer above the statistical upper bound, then YOU WIN and I donate $100 to the charity of your choice. If the figure is higher than 50,000 then YOU LOSE and either a) donate $100 to the charity I choose or b) simply make the following statement--publicly, on this forum (though not necessarily on this thread): "I said that the great majority of deaths listed as COVID fatalities would have died this year anyway. I was wrong: COVID killed many more people than would have been expected to die this year."

Fair?

One note: If you're going to win, we'd better start seeing lower-than-expected weekly totals really soon. There are only about 15 weeks left in 2020; we've seen higher-than-expected totals for more than 20.