Parents: is there anything worse than Zoom school?

Runner10287 wrote:

NotPC wrote:

When things get back to normal after the election, I think schools should keep the virtual element as an option. There are A LOT of kids that hate school, not because of the learning, or the actual "school" part of school, but the social aspect. For whatever reason they are ostracized, they don't fit in, whatever, this is a great way to get them instruction w/o dealing with the brick n morter school and it's issues.

Also I think it'd be a good way to deal with problem kids. You do nothing but cause problems when you are here, fine.. you are now on virtual schooling until you learn to act right.

All due respect but how is hiding from problems at home going to help the kids who "don't fit in"? It's just kicking the can down the road so they end up as socially inept arrested development cases as adults. Liberal logic at it's finest.

And I am sure the problem kids would have no problems being forced to stay home. Which btw we already have. It's called a suspension from school.

Runner10287 wrote:

NotPC wrote:

When things get back to normal after the election, I think schools should keep the virtual element as an option. There are A LOT of kids that hate school, not because of the learning, or the actual "school" part of school, but the social aspect. For whatever reason they are ostracized, they don't fit in, whatever, this is a great way to get them instruction w/o dealing with the brick n morter school and it's issues.

Also I think it'd be a good way to deal with problem kids. You do nothing but cause problems when you are here, fine.. you are now on virtual schooling until you learn to act right.

All due respect but how is hiding from problems at home going to help the kids who "don't fit in"? It's just kicking the can down the road so they end up as socially inept arrested development cases as adults. Liberal logic at it's finest.

And I am sure the problem kids would have no problems being forced to stay home. Which btw we already have. It's called a suspension from school.

Real Obvi wrote:

Runner10287 wrote:

All due respect but how is hiding from problems at home going to help the kids who "don't fit in"? It's just kicking the can down the road so they end up as socially inept arrested development cases as adults. Liberal logic at it's finest.

And I am sure the problem kids would have no problems being forced to stay home. Which btw we already have. It's called a suspension from school.

INCORRECT!

Nearly everyone in every society thinks that the way things are and/or the way things were when they were growing up is the only/best/normal way for things to be. And they are all wrong. Every single one of them.

There is nothing optimal or normal about going to school and spending huge chunks of your day with the same 30 kids, day after day, week after week, month after month. It is an entirely artificial environment and one of the worst ways one could think of to "learn to socialize."

It is vastly better and more healthy to hang out with different people on different days, socialize with kids of different ages as well as adults, be able to walk away from a-holes rather than being trapped with them every day with no conceivable escape . . .

School, as you know it, quite frankly sucks. Once this COVID thing is over I am very hopeful that millions more people will come to realize that they have choices rather than the only option being to send kids to traditional schools and only be concerned with living in the best neighborhoods so they can go to the best schools.

Life is something that you do, not something that happens to you. School is something that happens to you.

Runner10287 wrote:

Real Obvi wrote:

INCORRECT!

Nearly everyone in every society thinks that the way things are and/or the way things were when they were growing up is the only/best/normal way for things to be. And they are all wrong. Every single one of them.

There is nothing optimal or normal about going to school and spending huge chunks of your day with the same 30 kids, day after day, week after week, month after month. It is an entirely artificial environment and one of the worst ways one could think of to "learn to socialize."

It is vastly better and more healthy to hang out with different people on different days, socialize with kids of different ages as well as adults, be able to walk away from a-holes rather than being trapped with them every day with no conceivable escape . . .

School, as you know it, quite frankly sucks. Once this COVID thing is over I am very hopeful that millions more people will come to realize that they have choices rather than the only option being to send kids to traditional schools and only be concerned with living in the best neighborhoods so they can go to the best schools.

Life is something that you do, not something that happens to you. School is something that happens to you.

Sorry you were bullied in school I guess but that's no reason to punish the whole world because you had a bad childhood.

Real Obvi wrote:

Runner10287 wrote:

All due respect but how is hiding from problems at home going to help the kids who "don't fit in"? It's just kicking the can down the road so they end up as socially inept arrested development cases as adults. Liberal logic at it's finest.

And I am sure the problem kids would have no problems being forced to stay home. Which btw we already have. It's called a suspension from school.

INCORRECT!

Nearly everyone in every society thinks that the way things are and/or the way things were when they were growing up is the only/best/normal way for things to be. And they are all wrong. Every single one of them.

There is nothing optimal or normal about going to school and spending huge chunks of your day with the same 30 kids, day after day, week after week, month after month. It is an entirely artificial environment and one of the worst ways one could think of to "learn to socialize."

It is vastly better and more healthy to hang out with different people on different days, socialize with kids of different ages as well as adults, be able to walk away from a-holes rather than being trapped with them every day with no conceivable escape . . .

School, as you know it, quite frankly sucks. Once this COVID thing is over I am very hopeful that millions more people will come to realize that they have choices rather than the only option being to send kids to traditional schools and only be concerned with living in the best neighborhoods so they can go to the best schools.

Life is something that you do, not something that happens to you. School is something that happens to you.

Bullet_Proof wrote:

Real Obvi wrote:

INCORRECT!

Nearly everyone in every society thinks that the way things are and/or the way things were when they were growing up is the only/best/normal way for things to be. And they are all wrong. Every single one of them.

There is nothing optimal or normal about going to school and spending huge chunks of your day with the same 30 kids, day after day, week after week, month after month. It is an entirely artificial environment and one of the worst ways one could think of to "learn to socialize."

It is vastly better and more healthy to hang out with different people on different days, socialize with kids of different ages as well as adults, be able to walk away from a-holes rather than being trapped with them every day with no conceivable escape . . .

School, as you know it, quite frankly sucks. Once this COVID thing is over I am very hopeful that millions more people will come to realize that they have choices rather than the only option being to send kids to traditional schools and only be concerned with living in the best neighborhoods so they can go to the best schools.

Life is something that you do, not something that happens to you. School is something that happens to you.

There is a lot of things wrong with this post.

What if some kids themselves tell you that they look forward to school? Your entire argument breaks down in those cases.

Also, traditions stand the test of time. There is a reason from tradition why cheating on your wife is morally bad. But according to you, life is full of choices and options, so, go for it!

You use a lot of subjective words to state your argument: "optimal", "better" "healthy." Unfortunately, simply claiming that something is optimal doesnt make it optimal. As if life is an algorithm to optimize. And then track on your phone.

macdaddy 1.0 wrote:

Real Obvi wrote:

Runner10287 wrote:

You're both right and wrong.

I've seen it up close. Here's the current educational groups:

- D/F students who are suddenly A/B students because of Remote Learning. They are the kids who are successful in the 'college atmosphere' - less structure, do it on your own time, etc.

- A/B students who are absolutely garbage at Remote Learning. They cannot handle being away from school. They need in-person, concrete learning with a quick access environment.

- C students/Average kiddos (in both school and remote learning) - bell curve to reaction to Remote Learning

- A/B students who are successful regardless of learning environment (intelligent, great skills, lots of support)

- D/F students who have so many barriers to being successful regardless of environment (Low income, SPED, etc)

Education is not one size fits all. There should be options. However, most families.. are so unifiliar with options/have lack of time or resources/indulge in popular opinion/.. for true educational choice options to take off. That said, generally, there are many options for families who truly need them.

Real Obvi wrote:

Bullet_Proof wrote:

There is a lot of things wrong with this post.

What if some kids themselves tell you that they look forward to school? Your entire argument breaks down in those cases.

Also, traditions stand the test of time. There is a reason from tradition why cheating on your wife is morally bad. But according to you, life is full of choices and options, so, go for it!

You use a lot of subjective words to state your argument: "optimal", "better" "healthy." Unfortunately, simply claiming that something is optimal doesnt make it optimal. As if life is an algorithm to optimize. And then track on your phone.

There is so many things wrong with your post it is hard to even know where to start.

Maybe just point out that:

1) Some kids looking forward to school does absolutely zero regarding the validity of my argument. So, your "Your entire argument breaks down in those cases." is simply wrong on so many levels. Some kids, indeed most kids, would look forward to eating candy all day. That does not imply that eating candy all day is good for them.

Try to think more clearly. Although, in truth, I already know that you are incapable of doing so. As I said, "Nearly everyone in every society thinks that the way things are and/or the way things were when they were growing up is the only/best/normal way for things to be. And they are all wrong. Every single one of them." You are one of them.