What's going on? HBO's Real Sports pulls feature on debate over transgender women competing in sports at last minute

Your posts are still there you non gender implied cry baby.

You are correct. Trans women are trans women, not women. Which is exactly why they shouldn’t be competing in the women’s category.

Trans women need to respected and recognized as trans women. I agree with you on that.

pro women wrote:

Your posts are still there you non gender implied cry baby.

You seeing SOME posts by the handle "LRC goon" does not imply anything about other posts being deleted.

Say you see three posts. You conclude "the posts are still there, stop crying". What if there were originally five posts?

Are you following?

When a trans woman is sent to jail, where do they go? Men’s or women’s prison?

When a trans woman wants to have a baby, do they visit a gynecologist?

Do trans women need a well-woman exam yearly?

pro women wrote:

When a trans woman is sent to jail, where do they go? Men’s or women’s prison?

When a trans woman wants to have a baby, do they visit a gynecologist?

Do trans women need a well-woman exam yearly?

go on, respond to your question that you asked yourself

Most point is, when it gets real your trans women are women falls totally flat!

Canada Girl wrote:

pro women wrote:

Your posts are still there you non gender implied cry baby.

You seeing SOME posts by the handle "LRC goon" does not imply anything about other posts being deleted.

Say you see three posts. You conclude "the posts are still there, stop crying". What if there were originally five posts?

Are you following?

i'm following. LRC is way out of line here

pro women wrote:

Most point is, when it gets real your trans women are women falls totally flat!

Your point seems to be: you think you have logically cornered me, and you are happy to claim victory. I don't even know what we are talking about, beyond that. Your arguments are all over the place.

Should a trans woman be awarded a college scholarship designated to pave the way for women for entry into traditionally male dominated fields like engineering?

The readers of this thread determine who made the better points, not you or me.

https://savewomenssports.com/

Saving women’s sport acts are making their way to the US senate.

https://savewomenssports.com/save-womens-sports-blog/f/breaking-news-bill-to-protect-females-introduced-in-the-senate

There are many others who agree that trans women shouldn’t compete against women.

Good stuff, it's definitely something to chew on, but...

Should HBO air this special? On topic please, lest your comments be deleted and you receive a ban, in line with LRC's official policy, which must be applied to everyone.

pro women movement wrote:

And who appointed you as the spokesperson for all trans right people and activists?

Your black and woman argument falls flat because a black woman was always black and always a woman.

By saying trans woman, you’re saying clearly to the world that the person transitioned from being a male to a female. How this the term trans woman not offensive but referring to the trans woman’s former name offensive? It’s the same thing. Both refer to the persons former gender.

https://savewomenssports.com/

It doesn't fall flat at all, unless you think you suddenly 'become' trans, and weren't trans originally. Trans doesn't mean you have transitioned at all, it means you are transgender. You need to understand the terms you are talking about.

LRC goon wrote:

Your friend seems to have some issues with gatekeeping what it means to be a woman as well. Can women compete after menopause? etc etc. It sounds like your friend just wants to remain in her protected class as she understands it - there isn't much of an ideological bent to her statement, it's just how she feels. She is still a member of the more powerful group (sexually female, designated by a doc at birth) that is making up the rules about whether to even allow the less powerful group (trans women) to participate.

My friend is the "one with problem"? My god I can't believe I'm reading that.

You are trying to exaggerate what she's saying. She's not saying a post-menopausal women isn't a woman or that someone on birth-control isn't a woman. But she's saying society is denying the unique gift that women's body's were designed for - giving birth. The wide hips, etc slows them down in sports but lets the human race survive.

Will you not admit the #1 difference between a man and a woman biologically is that a women's body is designed to give birth? Every month for about 25 years generally their body prepares itself for the possibility of a fertilized egg being used. A trans women will NEVER have a period.

Yet in the year 2020 if someone points this basic fact out, people like you come on here and say they are the onse with the "gatekeeping problem" or imply they are saying post-menopausal women or women on birth control or infertile women aren't real women. Give me a break.

She hasn't said a damn thing to me about who can identify as what. I am 99.999999% she's all for people doing whatever the hell they want in private (I've heard her tell me how she thinks two loving gay parents would be great for a child ).

It's kind of like the mask debate . You don't want wear a mask? Fine, don't wear one at home. But in the grocery store, since it might impact others, we want you to wear a mask. Same thing here. You want to identify as a woman? That's cool but if you are going to take a scholarship away from someone on the women's team or play pro sports and take a paycheck away from a biological female, then no that's not ok.

She's very pro-women but acknowledges there are biological differences between men and women. She did say once something along the lines, "As if biological men haven't done enough to keep biological women down over the years, now they are coming to take our sports."

The reality is the physiological differences between men and women is real otherwise the men's world records wouldn't be way better than the women's.

rojo wrote:

LRC goon wrote:

Your friend seems to have some issues with gatekeeping what it means to be a woman as well. Can women compete after menopause? etc etc. It sounds like your friend just wants to remain in her protected class as she understands it - there isn't much of an ideological bent to her statement, it's just how she feels. She is still a member of the more powerful group (sexually female, designated by a doc at birth) that is making up the rules about whether to even allow the less powerful group (trans women) to participate.

My friend is the "one with problem"? My god I can't believe I'm reading that.

My goodness!

The prefix Trans means what it means. You can’t change it.

Trans Atlantic means you crossed the Atlantic from one side to the other.

Trans gender means you crossed from one gender to the other.

When a trans woman develops testicular cancer, does she visit a gynecologist?

How am I supposed to respond to so many ideas.

All I will address is this: even as a competitive woman runner, your friend can say things that are flawed and harmful. My pointing out when I think (my opinion) there are still hurtful ideas embedded in what she says, is not equivalent to saying she is the "one with a problem" (something that did not appear in my comment, but which you quoted as if it was). I said she also seems to have a problem with gatekeeping.

You misquoted me to put the words in my mouth that "your friend is THE ONE with a problem, and by logical implication, no one else has a problem". I think nothing of the sort. I think it's possible to criticize your liberal female friend's position, which you presented (and continue to present) as an unassailable object. I'd argue that's why you chose to use her words to express your opinion, rather than your own. So you could feign outrage at anyone who dared challenge her view, which you see as protected. You're doing a lot of thought policing for someone who claims to hate it. This isn't to make you mad, it's to make you see. No soaring wave of irate text can prevent me from expressing this opinion of mine.

pro women wrote:

The prefix Trans means what it means. You can’t change it.

You prescribe to the school of thought that says language is completely static, with defined rules?

rojo wrote:

She did say once something along the lines, "As if biological men haven't done enough to keep biological women down over the years, now they are coming to take our sports."

LRC goon wrote:

rojo wrote:

She did say once something along the lines, "As if biological men haven't done enough to keep biological women down over the years, now they are coming to take our sports."

hate speech