What's going on? HBO's Real Sports pulls feature on debate over transgender women competing in sports at last minute

Anyone else hoping she mentions that letsrun thread? :)

What's going on now? HBO has now turned the video to private. I watched it yesterday as they sent it out in a press release it was part of an interview with June Eastwood. I have written the PR team to ask why it was removed from youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmumoQkBwAk&feature=youtu.be

HBO has written me to say they pulled the story.

An HBO spokesman wrote, "I was informed that the Real Sports story will not air tonight (Tuesday night). I appreciate you checking in and will be in touch."

Thanks Rojo ?

LetsRun.com wrote:

For some reason, HBO decided not to air the feature.

Probably someone called someone a "he."

rojo wrote:

HBO has written me to say they pulled the story.

An HBO spokesman wrote, "I was informed that the Real Sports story will not air tonight (Tuesday night). I appreciate you checking in and will be in touch."

The children of Marx march across the Earth.

As HBO likes to say. The special is Gone With The Wind.

What else could they possibly add that the forums haven't already covered?

LetsRun.com wrote:

PPS. Update on 9/23 - For some reason, HBO decided not to air the feature.

LRC clearly trying to punch above their weight class. Let me know what HBO tells you.

Rojo is a He wrote:

Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:

Sounds like Rojo was hoping for a front page article this morning and a half dozen threads about the show for clicks.

Accurate

No. THe reason I'm making a big deal about this is I'm assuming they pulled the piece out of fear of a backlash from the trans community. The reality is you can't talk about the issue honestly without getting some sort of protest.

Remember when Brown University pulled a peer-reviewed paper by one of it's professors that said peer pressure around puberty might be the casue of gender dystopia?

Well that was a few years ago. Most recently Spotify employees are demanding the right to edit Joe Rogan podcasts as they view him as transphobic.

In the video clip for this piece that was removed from the Internet, a reporter (Armen Keteyian?) asked June Eastwood somethign along the lines of, "You do know some people htink i'ts unfair you get to compete.?" And she responded something like, "I do but I think they are wrong."

Not a big deal.

What scares me is censorship and mandated group think. We are experiencing McCarthyism all over again in the year 2020 but this time the group think is coming from the left.

Word is that HBO pulled it after a lot of complaints from LGBT groups and from Eastwood over Bernie Goldberg's reporting. Goldberg used June Eastwood's former name. Trans people call this "deadnaming" and it is considered to be very offensive to use someone's former name.

He also said in the story that June Eastwood was a woman trapped in a man's body. That is also an offensive trope in the Trans community. Goldberg did not include any experts who are on the Trans side of the issue.

I do not know what HBO was thinking when it gave this story to Bernie Goldberg. Trans issues are very difficult for those involved and Goldberg did not get a broad enough context of the issues from the Trans side. We all know that trans athletes have an advantage in women's sports and that biological women are upset that they have to compete against trans women. But there is so much more on the trans side of the story that is difficult to communicate if you do not reach out to the trans community.

For what it is worth, I do not think that trans women should compete exclusively one to one with biological women when there is a physical advantage. But sports should make room for trans women to compete in a separate gender identification division that can include competition alongside biological women as much as possible. It is not an easy situation and a lot needs to be done to respect all side.

rojo wrote:

THe reason I'm making a big deal about this is I'm assuming they pulled the piece out of fear of a backlash from the trans community. The reality is you can't talk about the issue honestly without getting some sort of protest.

You have assumed HBO's reason for pulling the doc, and you are desperate to confirm it?

Just making sure I'm understanding correctly.

Precious Roy wrote:

Word is that HBO pulled it after a lot of complaints from LGBT groups and from Eastwood over Bernie Goldberg's reporting. Goldberg used June Eastwood's former name. Trans people call this "deadnaming" and it is considered to be very offensive to use someone's former name.

He also said in the story that June Eastwood was a woman trapped in a man's body. That is also an offensive trope in the Trans community. .

Ok. Good to know. My goodness. So taht means I saw the offensive clip. This is insane.

The two minutes I saw were very factual. They showed June dominating the Big Sky conference mile and then said something along the lines of this might not be a story except for the previous 3-4 years June East wood was **** Eastwood and on the men's track team. I think they even showed a picture.

I remember thinking, "I'm surprised they did that but am glad they actually did that" .

How is saying that June was a woman trapped in a man's body offensive? That's exactly what the case was.

Since my last post, I was researching what got Joe Rogan in hot water. It was mainly the same thing in he referred Caitlyn Jenner's old name Bru** Jenner and said the US lost a great Olympian and said you can't even mention **uce Jenner on wikipedia or twitter without getting banned.

I guess if they want to say June used to be on the boys track team and not mention her old name it might be a little better but these are facts. I'm all for not needlessly making someone uncomfortable but the reality is June used to be on the boys track team.

Can a divorcee determine they don't want anyone talking about their old last name? Of course not, it's a fact. But what scares me is facts don't matter. The Brown University paper being pulled is scary. If a fact does against what we want to be true, it may not be good enough anymore.

I really hope they at least edit the piece and let it run.

rojo wrote:

June East wood was **** Eastwood

Caitlyn Jenner's old name Bru** Jenner

**uce Jenner

YOu epitomize the trope of ignorant people getting legitimate feedback about why you are perpetuating harm. When presented with new information, you go into this performative "oh I am a bad dog, here, let me do better..."

Do whatever you want. Refuse to do the work to understand why deadnaming and misgendering hurt people. But damn dude, when someone calls you out, don't act like a dog who got hit over the nose with a roll of newspaper. You have a prefrontal cortex.

Yes, yes hurtful and offensive. Meanwhile the trans community uses the term cis as a derogatory term to label others not like them. It is almost baffling to watch.

The fact that this is even a thing at all is enough to make your head spin.

So we set up women's sports so they can have equal access, then we even pass a Federal Law to ensure that they are indeed given equal access, then we we let grown men pretend to be women, and compete vs actual women.

I dont care how much estrogen and test blockers they take, that is still a dude competing against women.

That is freakin crazy town.

help me understand wrote:

Do whatever you want. Refuse to do the work to understand why deadnaming and misgendering hurt people. But damn dude, when someone calls you out, don't act like a dog who got hit over the nose with a roll of newspaper. You have a prefrontal cortex.

What are you talking about? We as a website do not let people misgender someone and call a trasngender woman a he.

As for deadnaming, I'm fine for avoiding that as well. There is no reason to call Caitlyn Jenner, Bru** other than to be a dick. The same is true for June Eastwood. But that's not what happened here. Here they were describing a historical fact.

I don't think it's wrong for HBO in introducing a story to say something along the lines of "Before transitioning in 2015, Caitlyn Jenner was known as Bruce Jenner and was the the 1976 men's Olympic decathlon champion." The name Bruce Jenner means a lot to most people. They know who that is.

Now, there probably was no need to say June's old first name in this case - they could have said "was a member of the men's track team" as she wasn't famous, but even if they did that I'm assuming the trans community is also mad because they showed a picture, am I correct?

I'm all for trying to avoid deadnaming when you are talking to a person or referring to them in the present tense, I say let's try to do that but having to do it when describing a historical fact or to avoid pictures reminds me of Soviet Union where people were removed from old photos. For most sports (although probably not distance running) height /bigger bones is important. And I'm not for cancel culture not allowing this stuff to be discussed. Scientific studies are being pulled simply because we don't like the results.

So let's focus on avoiding deadnaming when it is done to "aggressively dismiss and reject" one's new identity as that's just needlessly mean but that's not what happened here (the "" came from wikipedia).

What?! Do you really think HBO is being censored? It's a business. You know how Let's run encourages all the crap content on the forums to drive traffic? It's just like that, whatever work, right?

The trans activists are also pissed off at Rogan for a couple of guests he had on over the summer that went in to the gender identity issue in young girls and the dangers in these high school age girls transitioning. One of these drs was Dr. Soh who is pretty well known. Those segments went after the real issues but they probably upset some activists who feel anything that doesn't support their narrative is a threat, even if its Scientifically correct.

The Jenner quote was something else. I thought it was funny but I have a sense of humor and I guess some people dont.