Kilian Jornet is a fraud

Doping is a sophisticated and expensive endeavor.

Just simple bodybuilders can spend upwards of $4'000 a month on roids.

Professional doping requires dedicated medical staff to follow you around and labs to check your blood to make sure you are below detectable levels and carefully control cycles between competitions. This is only really feasible in team sports or where athletes live and train together. Kilian is living in a remote town in Norway.

Tour de France had vans filled with blood banks to do transfusions before each stage. How is something like this even practical for running up Everest? Climbing Everest is not just a about fitness, it's about mountaineering skill too.

And if he faked Everest, why did he climb it twice??? He didn't cheat enough the first time? Then he went back to have a faster cheating time? Makes no sense. Where did the GPS tracks come from?

That cited article is full of false logic:

They claimed he summited at strange times 21:00 and 00:00, but there were no eye witnesses.

Yeah like no sheet. Then also complains the summit photos are dark. Yeah like no sheet.

Reads like a QAnon website. Poor logic and poor trolling at best 2/10.

And at the local gym you will have a half dozen guys doing roids with basically no supervision. And I doubt Cathal Lombard had much of a team to help him as he doped his way to the top. And so on. I think you protest too much...

Why cheat 2x on everest? Obviously for the sponsorship dollars. I mean like who would do the feat and not to the basics of documenting it? You would have to be an absolute moron....

King Tiger wrote:

Doping is a sophisticated and expensive endeavor.

Just simple bodybuilders can spend upwards of $4'000 a month on roids.

Professional doping requires dedicated medical staff to follow you around and labs to check your blood to make sure you are below detectable levels and carefully control cycles between competitions/

Not saying he's cheating, but EPO would only be running him 3 to 500 bucks a month, while avoiding tests is easy as heck. Seriously, it's nothing more than an IQ test.

Anyway, to Sage: any thoughts on rumours surrounding the 'untouchable' Pikes Peak record? (And here I should note I am not referring to course cutting).

Ho Hum wrote:

Is there any evidence that he's doped? The only thing that raises red flags for me is his start in cross country skiing, including living with a bunch of other skiers, when doping was rampant.

He has never done cross country skiing. He started off in ski mountaineering which is a completely different sport.

IDK why this gets rehashed so much and why people have so much issue with Kilian. Maybe jealousy IDK. Anyway, probably not fair to post the article critical of his Everest ascents without the 'rebuttal'

https://iancorless.org/2017/12/10/kilian-jornet-everest-speed-records-questions-raised-and-a-response/

His answers make sense to me. And people saying 'why doesnt he have perfect data from ascending the tallest mountain in the world by himself without ropes or supplemental oxygen, where there is a literal sea of dead people up there' are idiots.

There are a couple of regular posters on this forum with a serious vendetta against Kilian. Obviously just butt hurt Americans jealous that he regularly wipes the floor with their golden boy Walmsley and other second rate Yanks.

Fact is Kilian is the GOAT runner. Nobody else on this planet has his range of expertise. Whether a race is 20k or 100 miles, steep technical terrain or fast runnable trails, Kilian dominates them all. Add in his world class vertical kilometre times and his sub 14 5k pace / sub 29 10k pace on the flat, and he is a truly remarkable athlete.

Haters gonna hate.

troll is all you guys do wrote:

IDK why this gets rehashed so much and why people have so much issue with Kilian. Maybe jealousy IDK. Anyway, probably not fair to post the article critical of his Everest ascents without the 'rebuttal'

https://iancorless.org/2017/12/10/kilian-jornet-everest-speed-records-questions-raised-and-a-response/

His answers make sense to me. And people saying 'why doesnt he have perfect data from ascending the tallest mountain in the world by himself without ropes or supplemental oxygen, where there is a literal sea of dead people up there' are idiots.

Yeah, also a lot of those claims are debunked since the actual movie "Kilian Path to Everest" came out. So people should just watch that instead.

They claimed he used fixed ropes seen in the GoPro footage - well fixed ropes are everywhere on Everest, but he didn't even wear a harness.

They claimed he had a satellite phone and radio, but made no calls - he did not bring a phone or radio.

Guess both losses to him last year still hurt as hell, Zinal and PP (although again his Sierre-Zinal climb last year was pretty ridiculous) Im sure Kilian will be very upset reading this forum

If doping allegations/positive tests surprise you in the endurance sports universe then you’ve got some growing up to do. Every elite I see , in the back of my mind I think It hope they are clean, but I would not be surprised if they are dirty’. If you follow this sport long enough you’ve seen the top tier of athletes cheating plenty of times and cannot honestly be surprised by anything.

I think Kilian is a great ambassador for Mountain endurance sports. I agree the Everest thing was unclear and a bit strange, but his competitive record stands on its own. I wonder how much he gets tested in a year, though. It definitely can be more of an emphasis in elite mut running.

The original article that the OP cited is invalid. I know because the dude being interviewed said that LetsRun.com is well respected.

the 999th red shirt wrote:

definitely not jim walmsley wrote:

KJ is a magician, making sure the audience only sees exactly what he wanted them to see.

I think he's a talented guy who also has a huge ego. He's writing books, doing podcasts, recklessly running ridges where one misstep could mean plummeting to his death.

Kilian has a huge ego?

I think you mix that up with Jim Walmsley.

Yeah cause 5 youtube videos made about Jim on the coconino cowboys channel = huge ego.

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

And at the local gym you will have a half dozen guys doing roids with basically no supervision. And I doubt Cathal Lombard had much of a team to help him as he doped his way to the top. And so on. I think you protest too much...

Why cheat 2x on everest? Obviously for the sponsorship dollars. I mean like who would do the feat and not to the basics of documenting it? You would have to be an absolute moron....

Maybe in your backwoods honkey-tonking red state gyms, but I assure you in the Northeast we do everything right!

Agreed. Since 'Rise of the ultras' was definitive he faked his Everest i've believed him as much as i believe Rupp, hes just a marketing tool.

Not So Sir! wrote:

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

And at the local gym you will have a half dozen guys doing roids with basically no supervision. And I doubt Cathal Lombard had much of a team to help him as he doped his way to the top. And so on. I think you protest too much...

Why cheat 2x on everest? Obviously for the sponsorship dollars. I mean like who would do the feat and not to the basics of documenting it? You would have to be an absolute moron....

Maybe in your backwoods honkey-tonking red state gyms, but I assure you in the Northeast we do everything right!

Penn not in the northeast?

What about NYC?

Canadians are also a bunch of cheats:

Seroiusly I have no clue about who is cheating but you are beyond delusional to think that pretty much everyone in the world doesn't have access to drugs and you don't really need that sophisticated of technology to evade the dopers. Balco and the like weren't 100million dollar companies with huge research budgets. They were fly by night operations of a half dozen people who could come up with drugs that would avoid detection.

None of that makes him a fraud. He has competed well many times that have been witnessed.

The Nepalese government's tourism board does not list KJ as summiting Everest because there is zero documentation that occurred.

No photo at the summit.

No GPS data at the summit.

Did not leave anything at the summit.

No one saw him at the summit.

gdm wrote:

He has a history of obscuring the truth and taking shortcuts, and that raises the specter that he could be cheating in other ways.

Where is there any proof of this though? What shortcuts? This claim has absolutely zero significance. Sounds like you're just making this up to raise false skepticism and trigger gullible readers on here. I shouldn't be surprised though, this is classic letsrun poster material.