agip wrote:
'BLM' is not an organization, it has no set demands other than insisting that 'black lives matter.'
Also, are you going to keep insisting that this organization, which gladly accepts corporate/foundation grants and partnerships has no set demands, implicit or explicit?
https://www.npr.org/local/305/2020/06/09/872859084/here-s-what-black-lives-matter-d-c-is-calling-for-and-where-the-city-standsagip wrote:
'BLM' is not an organization, it has no set demands other than insisting that 'black lives matter.'
Again, they disagree with you. From their home page:
“#BlackLivesMatter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s murderer. Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. By combating and countering acts of violence, creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives.”
Calling it the whitehouse is racist wrote:
agip wrote:
'BLM' is not an organization, it has no set demands other than insisting that 'black lives matter.'
Also, are you going to keep insisting that this organization, which gladly accepts corporate/foundation grants and partnerships has no set demands, implicit or explicit?
https://www.npr.org/local/305/2020/06/09/872859084/here-s-what-black-lives-matter-d-c-is-calling-for-and-where-the-city-stands
seriously? just the fact that you had to grab something from 'black lives matter DC' shows that there is no BLM organization. It is a loose web of like minded people, focusing on racial equity and injustice.
Calling it the whitehouse is racist wrote:
agip wrote:
'BLM' is not an organization, it has no set demands other than insisting that 'black lives matter.'
Again, they disagree with you. From their home page:
“#BlackLivesMatter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s murderer. Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. By combating and countering acts of violence, creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives.”
and um that statement is so broad that it makes my point clear. There is no concrete set of demands. I mean who in their right mind would disagree with anything in the cut and paste you just posted? It's a bland statement of purpose.
Also, because, let’s face it, nothing but an NPR article would have credibility in your view...
Calling it the whitehouse is racist wrote:
BECAUSE it’s the nation’s capital, where the “white supremacist” president resides, genius. Read the article. The organization very much has demands.
BLM has an organizational structure no different than the annual March for Life that anti-abortion campaigners have each year in DC. They have loose demands around restricting abortion but all have different ideologies about how to achieve it and why.
BLM doesn't have a leader or spokesperson. Or even an agreed upon manifesto. It's just a loose network at this moment in time.
oh look Mitt Romney is clearly agreeing with the Very Organized and discrete Black Lives Matter Global Organization.
He can't possibly be simply saying that black lives matter.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/politics/mitt-romney-black-lives-matter-protest/index.html
agip wrote:
Calling it the whitehouse is racist wrote:
Also, because, let’s face it, nothing but an NPR article would have credibility in your view...
anyone who plays the 'NPR is biased' angle isn't worth arguing with, because he has never listened to NPR.
You are being obtuse. Read the NBC article & the BLM platform then. They’re are demands, some of which could be deemed racist.
Calling it the whitehouse is racist wrote:
agip wrote:
anyone who plays the 'NPR is biased' angle isn't worth arguing with, because he has never listened to NPR.
You are being obtuse. Read the NBC article & the BLM platform then. They’re are demands, some of which could be deemed racist.
obvioulsy nothing anyone could say would discourage you from thinking that BLM is a hierarchical organization.
Ciao - this is useless.
agip wrote:
oh look Mitt Romney is clearly agreeing with the Very Organized and discrete Black Lives Matter Global Organization.
He can't possibly be simply saying that black lives matter.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/politics/mitt-romney-black-lives-matter-protest/index.html
I like Mitt Romney, way more than Trump. Additionally, we all know black lives matter. It’s an obvious statement, but I’m not sure the black community or their dogmatic liberal governors and mayors REALLY understand this, which is why nothing has changed in many decades, despite all of the lip service and well-intentioned tax dollars.
Saying you support BLM might reinforce your work, evolved, progressive self righteousness, but it doesn’t mean anything. Well, it means you are not “anti-racist.”
There
Disappointing that you do not support the organization.
agip wrote:
Calling it the whitehouse is racist wrote:
You are being obtuse. Read the NBC article & the BLM platform then. They’re are demands, some of which could be deemed racist.
obvioulsy nothing anyone could say would discourage you from thinking that BLM is a hierarchical organization.
Ciao - this is useless.
Again, obtuse. You don’t have legitimate counterpoints, only to say it’s not like a corporation.
It may not be hierarchical, but it’s an organization that accepts corporate/foundational dollars, partnerships, and has “concrete” demands. Yet, you have no well-reasoned response, just a sarcastic picture of Mitt Romney, as if though that perturbs any of us.
Calling it the whitehouse is racist wrote:
Additionally, we all know black lives matter. It’s an obvious statement, but I’m not sure the black community or their dogmatic liberal governors and mayors REALLY understand this, which is why nothing has changed in many decades, despite all of the lip service and well-intentioned tax dollars.
Saying you support BLM might reinforce your work, evolved, progressive self righteousness, but it doesn’t mean anything. Well, it means you are not “anti-racist.”
I think you mean woke, but I agree with you. This point is lost on most on the left, who feel some kind of moral superiority and that the social engineering end of government justifies the means. But it almost always doesn't. Anyone who disagrees is a right-wing zealot. So, good luck with your debate.
Calling it the whitehouse is racist wrote:
agip wrote:
oh look Mitt Romney is clearly agreeing with the Very Organized and discrete Black Lives Matter Global Organization.
He can't possibly be simply saying that black lives matter.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/politics/mitt-romney-black-lives-matter-protest/index.htmlI like Mitt Romney, way more than Trump. Additionally, we all know black lives matter. It’s an obvious statement, but I’m not sure the black community or their dogmatic liberal governors and mayors REALLY understand this, which is why nothing has changed in many decades, despite all of the lip service and well-intentioned tax dollars.
Saying you support BLM might reinforce your work, evolved, progressive self righteousness, but it doesn’t mean anything. Well, it means you are not “anti-racist.”
Funny how Liberals latch on any perceived anti-Trump and automatically assume they are wonderful virtuous people. Romney is the epitome of everything wrong with our financial system that I would think Liberals would hate. He made his money at Bain by leverage buyouts of companies, striping them down, then trying to flip them for a nice profit before they collapsed. Seriously look at Bain's past portfolio. All the big earnings Bain pulled in were either taking advantage of government assistance or companies that ended up collapsing shortly after Bain got out.
Romney is not a good guy. Not even a good businessman. He's good at using his family connections and the financial distortions Wall Street lobbied for to enrich himself at others' expense. Yet Trump is a bad guy for not paying some contractors who may or may not have completed their scope of work. If you listen to the Democrats now Romney is Jesus Christ reborn every time he goes against the Republican mainstream. Are they just not smart enough to actually look at their white knights or just don't care? We should all hope Romney never makes another presidential run because all he will do is feed money to 1% or the 1% wall street speculators at the expense of the rest of us.
I support black lives and am consistent. However, I do not support the "black lives matter" group as they are a racist marxist group filled with hate.
of course. if you can't understand why this movement exists there is something terribly wrong with you.
The organization? Heck no. Their a leftist, marxist, org with intentions and policy goals that would effectively destroy the US/western culture, and replace it with an Orwellian world of groupspeak, control, and ultimately (like all fascists), gulags for their political enemies.
Now would I march with my black friends/citizens against injustice perpetrated on them because of their color? Yes.
WWRD wrote:
The organization? Heck no. Their a leftist, marxist, org with intentions and policy goals that would effectively destroy the US/western culture, and replace it with an Orwellian world of groupspeak, control, and ultimately (like all fascists), gulags for their political enemies.
We're all Marxists - we all recognize our wealth effects our experience of life.
The only people who are not Marxists are the ones who have so much money they genuinely have no concept of the effects not having money has.
WWRD wrote:
The organization? Heck no. Their a leftist, marxist, org with intentions and policy goals that would effectively destroy the US/western culture, and replace it with an Orwellian world of groupspeak, control, and ultimately (like all fascists), gulags for their political enemies.
Now would I march with my black friends/citizens against injustice perpetrated on them because of their color? Yes.
the Russian propaganda runs strong with this one!