What is the rationale behind the urgency for Flu shots this year?

CancelllLRC wrote:

Please, COVID deniers, anti-vaxxers, fringe right-wing pig dogs of LRC, please do not get a flu vaccine. Please also don't get the COVID vaccine when it becomes available. The rest of us will cheer when you fall ill and infect your own loved ones.

You aren't smart, you aren't wise, and nobody will miss you fools when you're gone.

Dude, you're a f&$*ing @$$hole. That's all really; you are not a good person. Please get off of these boards. Wishing people ill/dead and their family's to get ill/die because they disagree with you is psychotic . It is people like yourself that convince others that the BS they are being fed is propaganda; why would anyone believe a word you are saying? You sounds nuts beyond recovery. Please, Rojo, you should be banning people that wish others such ill will; they are demented and screwed up in the head.

Post Reported. This is unacceptable behavior. Please stop yourself.

joedirt wrote:

Everyone is wearing masks, flu cases basically are at historic lows. If social distancing measures are adequate for COVID that is more contagious and more deadly, please explain to me why they are urging everyone to get a flu shot. Is it just to keep the influenza virus going or is it so that vaccinated individuals can infect healthy individuals?

Because in some professional careers like teaching, medical, etc, having symptoms like a fever, sore throat, etc means you can’t go to work. I’m sure the thought is if you get the flu vaccine, that at least narrows down the cause if you get sick (even if that is flawed)

CancelllLRC wrote:

You can stick your post reporting right up your wazoo, loser.

Again I say go fvck yourself.

Lead Foil Hat 2 wrote:

Post Reported. This is unacceptable behavior. Please stop yourself.

Dude, calm down. What is wrong with you? Triggered that people don't find it acceptable that you need to publicly wish death upon those who disagree with you? This is the definition of deranged.

Let's tell it like it is wrote:

This:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.drkarafitzgerald.com/2020/04/16/dod-study-suggests-flu-vaccine-may-increase-risk-for-coronaviruses/amp/

"A study of over 6000 U.S. Department of Defense personnel, published last year, found that those who had received an annual flu vaccine had higher odds of contracting an infection from the coronavirus family."

 

Are you F-ing kidding me? A "naturopathic doctor" is not in any way qualified to make any statements about real medicine.

ND's are not real doctors wrote:

Let's tell it like it is wrote:

This:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.drkarafitzgerald.com/2020/04/16/dod-study-suggests-flu-vaccine-may-increase-risk-for-coronaviruses/amp/

"A study of over 6000 U.S. Department of Defense personnel, published last year, found that those who had received an annual flu vaccine had higher odds of contracting an infection from the coronavirus family."

 

Are you F-ing kidding me? A "naturopathic doctor" is not in any way qualified to make any statements about real medicine.

It is a DoD study:

Data of discussion => see Table 5; name calling towards the OP won't change the DoD's data. It is mildly suggestive that flu vaccines may result in grater CV infections. What would be interesting to know what vaccines those that got CVs took; I doubt that data would ever see the light of day. Right now, we know that likely near 95% of those age 75+ in the US nursing home probably are on emulsion adjuvanted vaccines...., while most under 65 are not...

ND's are not real doctors wrote:

Let's tell it like it is wrote:

This:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.drkarafitzgerald.com/2020/04/16/dod-study-suggests-flu-vaccine-may-increase-risk-for-coronaviruses/amp/

"A study of over 6000 U.S. Department of Defense personnel, published last year, found that those who had received an annual flu vaccine had higher odds of contracting an infection from the coronavirus family."

 

Are you F-ing kidding me? A "naturopathic doctor" is not in any way qualified to make any statements about real medicine.

From DoD article (real science):

"Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus"

"Additionally, the laboratory data in our study showed increased odds of coronavirus and human metapneumovirus in individuals receiving influenza vaccination."

Lead Foil Hat 2 wrote:

ND's are not real doctors wrote:

Are you F-ing kidding me? A "naturopathic doctor" is not in any way qualified to make any statements about real medicine.

From DoD article (real science):

"Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus"

"Additionally, the laboratory data in our study showed increased odds of coronavirus and human metapneumovirus in individuals receiving influenza vaccination."

Also, of note; for the most part it seem flu vaccines help in many areas. Not anti-vax; just raising questions as people search for answers to 2020.

ND's are not real doctors wrote:

Let's tell it like it is wrote:

This:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.drkarafitzgerald.com/2020/04/16/dod-study-suggests-flu-vaccine-may-increase-risk-for-coronaviruses/amp/

"A study of over 6000 U.S. Department of Defense personnel, published last year, found that those who had received an annual flu vaccine had higher odds of contracting an infection from the coronavirus family."

 

Are you F-ing kidding me? A "naturopathic doctor" is not in any way qualified to make any statements about real medicine.

Interpretation: This doesn’t jive with my preconceived notion of reality, so I’ll attack the source. Lot of that going on from the “I believe in science” leftists.

I'll ask again.

Has anyone seen a study to determine if there was any correlation between COVID 19 prevalence/severity with whether or not they got the flu shot in the 2019-2020 flu season?

fisky wrote:

I'll ask again.

Has anyone seen a study to determine if there was any correlation between COVID 19 prevalence/severity with whether or not they got the flu shot in the 2019-2020 flu season?

There was mention of something early on, but I have not seen a study yet; that does noot mean the previous finding with respect to CVs is not worthy of discussion; unless you are trying to maintain a false story line, discussion of ideas and thoughts should always be welcome.

Well you can either become immune by getting sick or through a flu shot. Which do you prefer?

The rationale is that the first part of your first sentence is not true.

Everyone is not wearing g masks.

Because people like you are not taking covid seriously.

The anti maskers are more likely to come into close contact of the general public and spread the flu.

So they want people to get the flu shot.

Otherwise, I agree with your premise and think flu cases will be down because of more social distancing than past years.

Star wrote:

The rationale is that the first part of your first sentence is not true.

Everyone is not wearing g masks.

Because people like you are not taking covid seriously.

The anti maskers are more likely to come into close contact of the general public and spread the flu.

So they want people to get the flu shot.

Otherwise, I agree with your premise and think flu cases will be down because of more social distancing than past years.

I have a feeling that all respiratory illnesses will be down this year; for three reasons:

(1) Unfortunately, Covid-19 has already take out a large portion of the most susceptible populations

(2) We taking a tremendous amount of precaution to keep crowds at a minimum

(3) I think a lot of healthy people that are working will not report flu cases as much for fear of stigma and quarantine; I think that the radical policing of behavior is actually going to backfire to some extent in that many people will secretly go to work to avoid being forced to sit out for two weeks, particularly were income cannot be loss...I don't think this will equate to more illness spread, but I would guess many more will not be calling in sick as much as they might have in the past.

Overall, I think deaths will be down this winter compared to the last few, we will see. Total deaths may even come out fairly similar to recent years. If this happens can we at least say good job America, that is if net deaths are not up? Time will tell and I hope this is the case. People have had enough death.