Me and my conservative idiot science denier friends have been wearing masks for months now. We are not against the masks, just shutting down schools, businesses, entertainment, etc.. Shutting down these entities is doing more harm than going maskless ever could(just ask the WHO). And this is what this thread is about. Yes we are wearing the masks, so quit crying about it.
Stuck at home wrote:
I'm surprised there's not more recent data on this, and maybe there is but I just didn't catch it. Any way, actual mask non-wearers get way more airtime than their numbers would suggest. We've all seen "karen" videos of non-wearers throwing tantrums, getting tossed out of places, etc. over mask wearing. Gatherings where mask wearing is at a minimum make the headlines, but most people, even those that don't think they do anything, go ahead and wear them. Whether it's because they think they're helping themselves or people around them, whether they just want to avoid confrontation or just to be able to legally enter stores, the percentage of mask wearers in the US is in line with the rest of the world.
In this study from early July,
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/08/face-off-over-face-masks-europes-latest-north-south-split, the US was ahead of Canada, the UK, Norway, Denmark, and Sweden, roughly on par with France, Mexico, and Vietnam, and behind Spain, Italy, China, Singapore, and Malaysia. The US numbers were trending up in that study (Given the rough summer the US had, I suspect their numbers have continued to climb.
Here's a NY Times article from mid July. Different numbers, slightly different question, but similar results.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/17/upshot/coronavirus-face-mask-map.html
The map is a fine example. Look at the map and look at the recent rise in cases in the past week.
Top ten most new cases per million residents (past week):
State New Cases/mill
North Dakota 8,863
South Dakota 8,124
Montana 6,280
Wisconsin 5,943
Utah 4,800
Idaho 4,567
Nebraska 4,537
Iowa 4,187
Missouri 3,933
Arkansas 3,790
Top ten lowest new cases per capita:
State New Cases/mill
Vermont 210
Maine 336
New Hampshire 762
Hawaii 987
Oregon 1,061
New York 1,066
District Of Columbia 1,074
Washington 1,111
New Jersey 1,127
Some of that is due to achieved levels of immunity in some of those states, but a lot is due to mask wearing (places like Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, Hawaii, and Oregon still have very little community acquired immunity). If you don't buy the case numbers, here are the death numbers per million over the past week (they lag case numbers by about 2-3 weeks):
Top 10
State New Deaths / mill
North Dakota 146
Arkansas 85
South Dakota 79
Florida 64
Mississippi 60
Missouri 57
Tennessee 56
Kansas 51
Iowa 49
Bottom 10
State New Deaths / mill
Vermont 0
Maine 2
Alaska 5
Wyoming 7
New Jersey 8
Connecticut 9
New York 9
Maryland 11
Oregon 12
Washington 12
The path to herd immunity is a long one. Only a handful of places in New York and New Jersey have realistically achieved it and it takes hitting about 2,000 deaths per million residents to hit it (you can hit it at lower death totals if you do a better job of protecting the elderly than New York did). It will be interesting to see how Sweden performs now that they are back in heating season with their approach.
It is false that wearing a mask will damage the economy. With more rules we can live with the virus without damaging the economy very much. It is when people stop wearing masks that we need lock downs and more. Just look how well Fknland and Norway is doing
Armstronglivs wrote:
These Covid threads on LRC do much to explain why the US has by far the most infections and deaths in the world and a seriously ailing economy - and why it has plummeted in the eyes of the rest of the world. Apparently the US has the greatest concentration of morons on the planet.
I think they have the ability to become like evetyone else, but many are brainwashed just like many people in middle eastern countries. Also the education is expensive so many people don't know how to handle false information
FinnJ wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
These Covid threads on LRC do much to explain why the US has by far the most infections and deaths in the world and a seriously ailing economy - and why it has plummeted in the eyes of the rest of the world. Apparently the US has the greatest concentration of morons on the planet.
I think they have the ability to become like evetyone else, but many are brainwashed just like many people in middle eastern countries. Also the education is expensive so many people don't know how to handle false information
I agree. Worst country ever. Is this finally settled Appleswan? Hows Cuba these days?
FinnJ wrote:
It is false that wearing a mask will damage the economy. With more rules we can live with the virus without damaging the economy very much. It is when people stop wearing masks that we need lock downs and more. Just look how well Fknland and Norway is doing
So Finn, just exactly where is this Fknland you speak of? I am really interested.
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CorrectorII wrote:
energeticlotuseater wrote:
Still I hear pro-maskers yell and scream “COVID cases are increasing because no one is wearing a mask!“ It’s shocking that it seems to never occur to them that maybe masks just aren’t that effective.
I'm totally with you, I actually cut the seatbelt out from my cars, so many car accident deaths prove them ineffective. Why carry the weight and hassle, specially with kids!
I see I'm not the only sharp knife in the drawer! High five!
So it doesn't matter whether masks are effective or not, if there is even a chance that they may work then you HAVE to wear them.
FinnJ wrote:
It is false that wearing a mask will damage the economy. With more rules we can live with the virus without damaging the economy very much. It is when people stop wearing masks that we need lock downs and more. Just look how well Fknland and Norway is doing
Says someone that doesn't own a strip club.
Do the Brojos have the right to remove the post and ban the user that posted spam link above?
Paradoxical wrote:
CorrectorII wrote:
I'm totally with you, I actually cut the seatbelt out from my cars, so many car accident deaths prove them ineffective. Why carry the weight and hassle, specially with kids!
I see I'm not the only sharp knife in the drawer! High five!
So it doesn't matter whether masks are effective or not, if there is even a chance that they may work then you HAVE to wear them.
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RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
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