The corona is "our extremely deadly invisible enemy around every corner therefore we have to fuk up the lives of everyone not elite" house of cards is coming down. More and more professionals and scientists are coming out with the truth.
The ones clamoring for shutdowns and masks will be remembered. They will be socially castrated forever.
Wear pants of kill the economy! The choice is yours
*or
joedirt wrote:
HI all,
As case numbers start to rise again in Europe, the threat of new harsh lockdowns both abroad and domestic returns. A second prolonged lockdown would return the world economy to chaos. If you want an active economy, if you want your kids in sports and school, and if you want to retain most of your personal freedoms, simply wear a mask indoors in public places (and if you live in a crowded city or are outdoors in a crowd, then outside in public as well). Unless you have already had the virus and recovered, in which case, go about your life as normal. It has been great having my kids back in school, back in sports, etc., but that all goes away if idiots continue to spread the virus and their liberal governors shut down businesses and schools that we all rely on for our lives. Now, while I believe the risks of this virus are overstated and the .1-.2% of the population that is at risk of dying from this (primarily the very old and the very sick) is an acceptable risk relative to the economic damage that would do far more harm to the general population, the damage inflicted by the actions of liberal governors would be catastrophic (take a look at California, and the northeast as an example). Blue states have on average about 3% higher rates of unemployment than red states. The damage from those policies affect all of us. So don't give them the excuse to over react.
Please, we urgently need a vaccine; people are dropping dead by the .0001’s !
hjk2 wrote:
econ 111 wrote:
People always get sick without harming the economy. Allowing old people to die would actually help the economy. It doesn't make it right but it is a fact. Not wearing masks woukd actually help the economy.
It's mostly old people that die from most diseases. By your logic not treating old people for heart disease, cancer, alzheimers, etc. and letting them die would also help the economy.
As a matter of fact, that's right.
We spend a lot of money keeping people alive that are not working and making money.
If they all die sooner, that money could go into more consumerism which would help everyone left alive.
Corona scandal wrote:
The corona is "our extremely deadly invisible enemy around every corner therefore we have to fuk up the lives of everyone not elite" house of cards is coming down. More and more professionals and scientists are coming out with the truth.
The ones clamoring for shutdowns and masks will be remembered. They will be socially castrated forever.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/09/no_author/open-letter-from-medical-doctors-and-health-professionals-to-all-belgian-authorities-and-all-belgian-media/
I don't understand what "clamoring" for masks really means. There is essentially no cost, financial or otherwise, associated with wearing a mask. Isn't a mask sort of the lowest hanging fruit here, quite effective, basically no cost, basically no side effect? If so, "clamoring" would be more accurately described as, "rationally desired," or "logically advocated for."
Your premise is 100% false.
Because if masks actually work, then why can’t all stores, churches, festivals, theaters, sporting events, voting precincts....be open?
Precious Roy wrote:
econ 111 wrote:
People always get sick without harming the economy. Allowing old people to die would actually help the economy. It doesn't make it right but it is a fact. Not wearing masks woukd actually help the economy.
The dead can't spend. And despite the constant right wing ageist tropes about the virus not being harmful because it mostly kills old people, people in their 70s and 80s contribute a lot to our economy. Many are important caregivers for families where both parents have to work. In many low income households, grandparents are the only thing keeping families out of poverty because they can look after children when mom and dad are at work.
And there are plenty of old people who are still critical workers in the economy. Fauci is 79. 6 of the 9 USC justices are over 65. Warren Buffett is 90. John Goodenough, the inventor of the lithium ion battery, won the Nobel Prize for chemistry in 2019 for his 2017 breakthrough on solid state batteries. Goodenough is 98 and is still working.
Over 40% of deaths in the US have come from people in nursing homes. Not many of those 70 and 80 year olds you are speaking of are contributing to the economy.
here is mine wrote:
Your premise is 100% false.
Because if masks actually work, then why can’t all stores, churches, festivals, theaters, sporting events, voting precincts....be open?
They work if worn properly. There are numerous instances of college kids testing positive and none of their classmates or teachers testing positive because they were wearing masks in class. Now, their frat brothers who were drinking with them were all positive, but their classmates were not [now, let me be clear that they should let kids get this and gain immunity as they are at less risk of this than the flu, but the data coming out of the colleges is very interesting as colleges are the most tested places on the planet right now (waste water monitoring and testing of loads of asymptomatic individuals)].
The overwhelming majority of people who die are retired.
Economies are killed when people who work die. Aint much of that happenin here.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
Scenario 5: Current best estimate
For every 100,000 people age 0 to 19 infected with COVID-19
3 will die, 99,997 will live
For every 100,000 people age 20 to 49 infected with COVID-19
20 will die, 99,980 will live
For every 100,000 people age 50 to 69 infected with COVID-19
500 will die, 99,500 will live
For every 100,000 people age 70 and over infected with COVID-19
5,400 will die, 94,600 will live
[quote]joedirt wrote:
HI all,
As case numbers start to rise again in Europe..
Case numbers = positive test results = don't mean a damn thing.
Next to nobody is seriously ill.
The Covid death numbers are nearly all people who would have died absent the virus.
It's all bullspit folks, and it is being used against us
DanM wrote:
The overwhelming majority of people who die are retired.
Economies are killed when people who work die. Aint much of that happenin here.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.htmlScenario 5: Current best estimate
For every 100,000 people age 0 to 19 infected with COVID-19
3 will die, 99,997 will live
For every 100,000 people age 20 to 49 infected with COVID-19
20 will die, 99,980 will live
For every 100,000 people age 50 to 69 infected with COVID-19
500 will die, 99,500 will live
For every 100,000 people age 70 and over infected with COVID-19
5,400 will die, 94,600 will live
The government enforced lockdowns are very efficient at killing economies regardless of who is dying.
dfjkdfbsvbv wrote:
Corona scandal wrote:
The corona is "our extremely deadly invisible enemy around every corner therefore we have to fuk up the lives of everyone not elite" house of cards is coming down. More and more professionals and scientists are coming out with the truth.
The ones clamoring for shutdowns and masks will be remembered. They will be socially castrated forever.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/09/no_author/open-letter-from-medical-doctors-and-health-professionals-to-all-belgian-authorities-and-all-belgian-media/I don't understand what "clamoring" for masks really means. There is essentially no cost, financial or otherwise, associated with wearing a mask. Isn't a mask sort of the lowest hanging fruit here, quite effective, basically no cost, basically no side effect? If so, "clamoring" would be more accurately described as, "rationally desired," or "logically advocated for."
These are all perfectly good common sense points, all to be gained nothing to lose, low to no cost, help you fellow human.
No person against masks will ever be able to give you a logical good answer. In the town hall meeting Trump said "waiters don't like it", and "some think they may not work" I kid you not
Apparently the White House stopped the USPS from sending millions of free masks early on:
They impair your peripheral vision. They limit oxygen.
They restrict ability to communicate
We have evolved by using facial recognition which they restrict
Wearing them causes rashes or acne for many
They create a sense of fear among people and a sense of non normalcy
There is an environmental cost from all the used masks
The resources used to make them could be used for things that add value to society
It is a violation of constitutional rights
It is an entry point for government intrusion into our lives which will be continued with an increased state surveillance of the population if we do not nip it in the bud.
You received several logical responses. Too bad.
ULTIMATE BATHROOM_GOER 2.0 wrote:
Leave the economy alone or kill the economy, the choice is yours (speaking to the left).
Leave humans alone or kill humans, the choice is yours (speaking to the right).
Journalism?? wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
The dead can't spend. And despite the constant right wing ageist tropes about the virus not being harmful because it mostly kills old people, people in their 70s and 80s contribute a lot to our economy. Many are important caregivers for families where both parents have to work. In many low income households, grandparents are the only thing keeping families out of poverty because they can look after children when mom and dad are at work.
And there are plenty of old people who are still critical workers in the economy. Fauci is 79. 6 of the 9 USC justices are over 65. Warren Buffett is 90. John Goodenough, the inventor of the lithium ion battery, won the Nobel Prize for chemistry in 2019 for his 2017 breakthrough on solid state batteries. Goodenough is 98 and is still working.
Over 40% of deaths in the US have come from people in nursing homes. Not many of those 70 and 80 year olds you are speaking of are contributing to the economy.
right....but those people are parents to the American workforce....how many people would keep going into work even if it meant killing your parents by keeping this virus alive and spreading it? Polls show that number at around 43% currently....
Do you still beat your wife, yes or no? Some questions on polls are worded in such a way that there are no good answers.
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